Federal Government Shutdown

[Raeven]

And Republicans keep wanting to "negotiate" piecemeal over law that has already been settled and is fully in effect. The Administration and the Dems aren't going to give an "inch," and I don't blame them. (Oh, and hint: Look for them to cave on the medical device tax. I'm pretty sure that will be the bargaining chip. Truly, it was worth shutting down the Federal Government over THAT?? You may not like hearing it, but that's exactly how it will play to Joe Schmoe in Peoria.)

I am neither R or D, but I. If you want to pigeon hole me, I am closest in ideology to libertarian. So I already know how this is playing out...I personally want to see both parties suffer for this shit because it shows how much they are for themselves and not the people of America.

I would personally like to see this result in people waking up and seeing how our government shafts all of us. The federal government was never meant to be this big and/or invasive, but we have allowed it, in the name of "progression". Politicians are abusive husbands wearing wife beater t-shirts: they abuse us while convincing us that it's our fault.

I never pigeonholed you one way or another. I spoke of Republicans in a general sense, never said you identified with them. That said, I consider Libertarians as just immature Republicans who haven't been through enough in life to understand the importance of the role of government in a civilized society. Ayn Rand sounds like a good idea... when you're 14. When you figure out that bad things happen to good people every single day, you begin to appreciate social safety nets and how only government can facilitate them. I say this as a fully self-sufficient business owner who has never taken a government handout in my life.

How has the government shafted you lately? Taxes are at historical lows. How have they invaded you? Is your phone tapped?

Me, I personally know my representative in the House and I like him, think he's doing a fantastic job against all odds. I wouldn't have his shitty job for anything. I watch him and both my State Senators like a hawk. You want a different government? Get involved and make it your own. That's what I do.

ETA: I'm not bagging on you personally. I just get so tired of hearing people complain about government and not getting terribly involved in it. Maybe you do, I don't know.

I agree with you if what you mean that corporate interests are far too involved in our politics. That's been happening -- and not with very much subtlety -- for the past 30 years at least. I'd like to see Citizens United fully done away with. I want to see Glass-Steagall reinstated. I want more oversight and corporate money entirely out of our politics. Hell, I want campaign funds to be funded federally with no ties to any interests at ALL. It'll never happen, but hey -- even liberals can be idealists.