(October 7, 2013 at 4:06 pm)Freedom Wrote: I have a question about faith for believers, and I continue to run into a brick wall. So evidently I am asking the wrong question.
I want to know from Christians how they can know for certain that they are not simply inventing a god in their imaginations. However, when I ask Christians this question, I get an answer that starts with "Because God..."
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This still assumes a god. It's as if they cannot see that they are using their imaginations. If I said that I believe in Qhiapwe, Christians would tell me that Qhiapwe is not real. Then I'd say "Qhiapwe is the creator of everything, and Qhiapwe lives in my heart." Now I just made up that name, but you get my point.
How can I get this through to believers?
To believers: Can you consider the possibility that your beliefs are the result of you using a creative imagination?
YOU probably cannot - because you cannot PROVE your statement either.
YOU may be able to prove that the gods of religions - as defined by religions are NOT true - but that still leaves the possibility of a higher power sparking the big bang (No one knows) or a Deist style god that started evolution - but was otherwise NOT involved and is no longer involved.
Now - instead of claiming that gods are imagination - say that religion is imagination - and THAT you can prove. THere are factual errors in the beliefs of ALL ancient based religions.
As far as Xtians - I have found most of the worst offenders are older women - when it comes to the delusion. AND - most of them have never actually read the entire bible - and they will ignore quotes from the Old Testament as Cherry Picking. So - if YOU want to be ahead of them - you have to know the bible better than them.
MY favorite quote I get them to read is 1 Timothy 2 11-15 - from the new testament.
11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
So it is their belief that a woman should be in FULL submission to men - have NO authority over men - be quiet - and pregnant.
So - then tell them to shut up - and get pregnant. After all - it is THEIR belief - not yours
