Atheist Becomes Catholic

[Esquilax]

You can't argue with the gnome once he's "dropped some knowledge bombs" on you. The main point is you don't know what you think you know you just believe you know what you know, but it's a belief at the end of the day. You don't get to "prove" the existence God either way with science which atheists seem to think they have done.

Jeez, you really have no idea what atheism is, do you?

So, no atheist thinks that science has proven god does not exist- or at least, no honest one should- because it's very hard to prove a negative, and you guys spend a lot of your time working to make your god as unfalsifiable as possible too. In fact, if you'd actually asked any of us, you'd probably get the answer that we don't know that god doesn't exist at all. We just feel that your side hasn't provided evidence sufficient to believe that he does.

What we've done is look at the evidence without bias, and found no evidence for a god there, nor in the types of arguments you and yours offer as justification for your belief.

The reason I was so incredulous about you using the space gnome is that I've seen him before; the lengths that video goes to to misrepresent the atheist position is just sad, and apparently you've swallowed those lies hook line and sinker rather than doing the honest thing, which would be to speak to us about what we believe.

Something has to exist eternally, our universe didn't

Don't just assert it, demonstrate it. If you can't, it's not worth believing.

and our universe has structure and precise mathematical construction, structure and contingency.

Or, or... we as humans can spot patterns and repetition in the universe and see a structure and predictable framework in that. Don't mistake your cosmic pareidolia as some form of divine truth.

You may as well say you can construct a car by detonating a bomb in a junkyard and all the parts just come together naturally.

This is the most idiotic strawman ever...

We know something to be the work of an intelligence when we see it the universe is such a construction.

Nope. Sorry, but we don't just instinctively see design, we identify design via comparison. How do we know a car is designed? Well, we've seen natural things, and by comparison the two don't measure up. We also have examples of cars being designed, while we definitely don't have examples of universes being designed. You've got no means of comparison, and therefore no means- beyond bias- to identify design.

Rather than some kind of deism it's clear that there is some kind of relational aspect as you have billions of humans who claim to experience him, you can see the impact of this on the world and throughout history. But if you're just going to ignore all of this then it's not rational, if that's what you want to insist.

And we end with an argument from popularity. We've seen plenty of people who have had experiences with alien abductions, does that mean those are real?

Oh, and despite all these "experiences," it's clearly not the same being, because even within your own religion there are thousands of variations who all think this god is different and all think the others are wrong... do you have anything better than this?

You argue like this and you still wonder why atheists don't believe you?