(October 8, 2013 at 2:34 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Something has to exist eternally, our universe didn't and our universe has structure and precise mathematical construction, structure and contingency.
I'm curious, when I apply all of this reasoning to God, what is the special exception you'll come up with?
So, what existed external to God and created him, since order and structure and intelligence can never occur without an intelligent guiding hand?
Quote:You may as well say you can construct a car by detonating a bomb in a junkyard and all the parts just come together naturally.
This is a fallacy we all learn about in our first day of Atheist 101. How sad.
Quote:We know something to be the work of an intelligence when we see it the universe is such a construction.
People who can't tell order apart from design make that mistake a lot.
Quote:Rather than some kind of deism it's clear that there is some kind of relational aspect as you have billions of humans who claim to experience him, you can see the impact of this on the world and throughout history. But if you're just going to ignore all of this then it's not rational, if that's what you want to insist.
Billions more humans claim your god doesn't exist, so if we're going to cite majority rule here...