Why do Atheists spend so much time debatng the existence of God?

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The burden is on the person making the claim. If I asked, "what do believe is the ultimate cause of the universe? a)Supernatural b) Natural c) Don't know. What would you answer? If you answer a or b, you have the burden. The only person who doesn't have he burden is c), an agnostic.

My answer is c, because I'm an agnostic atheist; see, atheism concerns what you claim to believe, and agnosticism (root word: gnossis, meaning knowledge) concerns what you claim to know. I don't believe in any gods, but I don't claim to know there aren't any gods. Hence, agnostic atheist.

This is what is frustrating when debating with atheists, their is a shifting between atheism and agnosticism when an argument is presented.

It's just that you don't really understand what those terms mean. It's cool, now you do.

Imo, their is plenty of evidence for God's existence, typically the big 5, 1. KCA, design, moral argument, Jesus Christ and personal experience. What you find as satisfying is completely arbitrary.

The problem is that none of those things are really evidence at all. In order: even if you allow every premise of Kalam, it only gets you to a deistic creator, not the christian god, and the entire argument just demands that god didn't "begin to exist," without providing justification for that.

The argument from design only works by drastically misunderstanding how human beings recognize design.

The moral argument can be rebutted simply by denying the existence of objective morals, which I do.

There's no evidence for Jesus, and personal experience can't possibly count as evidence for someone else. I don't want to derail the thread so much, but if you're interested in actually discussing these arguments- and I hope you are- why not create a new thread for them so I can correct your misconceptions?

You see, now you have reverted back to Atheism. You just claimed "Most of us willingly claim we don't know", yet you refer back to this as being a fantasy. How can you say something is a fantasy when just before you say you don't know?

If nobody can provide actual evidence for the thing they believe, then what is there to differentiate it from a fantasy?

This shifting between atheism and agnosticism is frustrating. Again, if it is what gives meaning to someone, then who are you or anyone to say otherwise?

Wouldn't you find it sad if someone you loved took their entire life's meaning from a lie?

So gay rights is something that really gets on your nerves? How much time do you spend on war/anti war websites arguing against US troops in Iraq killing and blowing up innocent little children?

Want to throw out any more red herrings? I just said it was an example off the top of my head. If I listed everything I had an issue with, we'd be here forever. By the way, how many christians justified that war with their religion?

and BTW, I have many Atheist friends who are against gay marriage.

So what?

Really? I find it irrational debating about a being that you don't believe exists...Surely, there are better things to do in life...? No?

What do you have against intellectual, hypothetical discussion?