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Believers don't believe
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RE: Believers don't believe
(December 4, 2008 at 8:56 am)Dotard Wrote: Very few people believe in God.
http://www.adherents.com

Quote:Now billions of people may say they believe in God, but very few people actually do. If people genuinely believe they would live every minute of every day in support of that belief. The rich would give away their wealth to the needy. Everyone would be just frantic trying to determine which religion was the true one. No one could be comfortable in the thought they just might have picked the wrong religion and blundered into eternal d-mnation, or bad reincarnation or separation from their God or some other crazy consequence. People would dedicate their entire lives converting others to their particular brand of religion.
Are you claiming the majority of the world are actually agnostic? The rich do give away their money to charities. How do you think the Christian Churches are worth Billions? Who do you think is donating their money? Are there any atheist organizations that have a bank account in the billions of dollars for charities? People are working frantically to find the right religion. Why do you think so many Muslims are converting to Christianity, and vise-versa? Do you notice the two religions from the Middle East are dominating the Globe?

Quote:A belief in God would require 100% obsessive devotion, influencing every single waking moment of their lives of this brief life on earth.
Untrue. God said believe in me, and preach my word. It says nothing about donating every waking hour to him.

Quote:But none of these billions of people who profess belief in God live their lives in this fashion, save for a very few.
How do you know that? Have you taken a 1,000 person survey?

Quote:The majority believe in the usefulness of their beliefs, an earthly and practical utility, but they have no belief in any underlying reality.
Everyone believes their own religion is the truth. Who cares, if it makes a person feel good by saying prayers and the dinner table and before they goto sleep, then so be it. That doesn't mean that person in insane, or delusional! It means that person has found happiness. What do you consider reality? 90% of the world believe in God, so that means they are insane? Is that what you meant by reality?

Quote:They say they believe because pretending to believe is nessasary to gain the benefits of religion.
I believe in God because I know life-form didn't generate itself intoa living cell on it's own. that's my reason for believing in God. If you disagree with the God I have chosen to believe is the creator of life, then I'm sorry you feel that way.

Quote:They tell other people they believe and do believer-like things, like read their holy books and pray, but they don’t do the things a true believer would do, the things a believer would have to do.
What is your definition of a "True Believer?"

Quote:If you believed a truck was barreling down on you, you would jump out of the way. That is belief in the reality of the truck.
That's correct. I'm would jump out of the way.

Quote:If you tell people a truck is coming toward you and you fear the truck yet do nothing to get out of the way, that is not belief in the truck.
If I fear the truck, why wouldn't I get out the way?

Quote:Likewise, it is not belief to say God exists then continue to hoard wealth while innocent folks die of starvation.
I suggest you research the Christian foundations that are helping starving people all across the world. I suggest you do some research before you make statements like that.

Quote: When belief does not control your every decision every day of your brief life, it is not belief in any underlying reality, it is belief for the sake of the usefulness of believing.
I don't live day by day believing every choice I make is being controlled. I make my own decisions. If it's right, then awesome! If it's wrong, then so be it. God knows I'm a sinner, but he also knows I was saved in the Blood and Body of Jesus Christ.

Quote:Folks only act as if they believe because there is an earthly benefit for doing so. They create a delusion for themselves because it makes them happy.
This was a debate between Richard Dawkins and Bill O'Reilly. O'Reilly told him, "Who cares if I'm happy with my decision, why are so against that?"

Quote:Atheists also prefer delusions. One day I’ll explain a bit more on that thought, this one is on God belief.
Maybe it's the atheists that are delusional? Life did not arise from non-life. Something was there to kick-start life into motion. The creation of life was a not a magic trick.

Quote:Jews and Muslims believe Christ is not the son of God. If they are right, then Christians are mistaken about the core of their religion.
That's right. No arguement from me.

Quote:If the Jews have the right religion, then the Hindus and Buddhists and Muslims and Christians are wrong. If the Christians have the right religion, then the Jews and Muslims and Hindus and Buddhists are wrong.
If the Christians are right, then the world is doomed.

Quote:If the Muslims have the right religion, then the Hindus and Christians and Jews and Buddhists are wrong.
See last post, but insert [Islam]

Quote:At some level of consciousness, everyone knows that the odds of choosing the right one true religion (if such a thing actually exists) are nil.
And what are the odds of atheists being right?

Quote:The best thing any human can do is pick a delusion that helps them get through the day. This is why the people of all the different religions can generally live in peace. Because, at some level, all you theist types suspect that other people really don’t believe in any underlying reality of their religion any more than you believe in yours.
I don't care what Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and Jews think of me. Jesus said, "Love your neighbors and your enemies." If that is a delusion, then I'm sticking with it. No harm, No foul.

Quote:The only group of people I can say with certainty actually do believe in an underlying reality of thier religion are these crazy Muslim fundimentalists. They will mass-murder and commit suicide and crash airplanes full of people into high rise buildings all in the name of their God and their religion. They are some serious theists.
So, bloodshed makes someone a believer more than another religion? How were the Hijackers of 9-11 more believers in Allah than I am in Yahweh? Because I chose not to fly an airplane 650 MPH into a building? You failed to mention how believers in Christ have been executed throughout the last 20 centuries! I guess these men were TRUE believers, right? These Christians were executed just for believing Jesus Christ existed. These Disciples went all the way to their execution chamber swearing by God that this man named Jesus did exist, and he did perform miracles!! But these Disciples were laughed at, and then executed.

Quote:Makes your theism seem a little lacking.
The Qu'ran commanded Muslims to murder their enemies of war. The Holy Bible says, "Love your enemies, and preach the word to the Infidels." And "If they do not hear your words, then shake the dust from your feet and walk away from them."

Islam - Murder in the name of Allah and you are granted eternal life with 72 Virgins (or grapes) whichever version you read.

Christianity, "Love your neighbors as you love yourself."

Where does delusional fit in between good and bad?
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Messages In This Thread
Believers don't believe - by Dotard - December 4, 2008 at 8:56 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Ace Otana - December 6, 2008 at 2:43 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Edwardo Piet - December 6, 2008 at 3:22 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Edwardo Piet - December 6, 2008 at 9:27 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Psalm 23 - December 7, 2008 at 7:55 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Edwardo Piet - December 7, 2008 at 10:56 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Psalm 23 - December 7, 2008 at 4:52 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by lukec - December 7, 2008 at 4:58 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by bozo - December 7, 2008 at 5:01 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Psalm 23 - December 7, 2008 at 5:10 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by bozo - December 7, 2008 at 5:33 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Purple Rabbit - December 7, 2008 at 12:03 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Ace Otana - December 7, 2008 at 8:16 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Ace Otana - December 7, 2008 at 8:22 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Darwinian - December 7, 2008 at 8:35 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Ace Otana - December 7, 2008 at 8:39 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Tiberius - December 7, 2008 at 8:42 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Ace Otana - December 7, 2008 at 12:02 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Psalm 23 - December 7, 2008 at 4:45 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by lukec - December 7, 2008 at 4:48 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by lukec - December 7, 2008 at 5:13 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Psalm 23 - December 7, 2008 at 5:25 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Purple Rabbit - December 8, 2008 at 5:19 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by lukec - December 7, 2008 at 5:31 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Ace Otana - December 7, 2008 at 7:30 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Psalm 23 - December 11, 2008 at 10:28 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Edwardo Piet - December 11, 2008 at 10:40 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Kyuuketsuki - December 11, 2008 at 10:46 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Purple Rabbit - December 12, 2008 at 3:23 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by leo-rcc - December 7, 2008 at 7:44 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Ace Otana - December 8, 2008 at 6:31 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by FutureAndAHope - December 8, 2008 at 11:49 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Purple Rabbit - December 9, 2008 at 3:24 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Edwardo Piet - December 9, 2008 at 1:40 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Edwardo Piet - December 9, 2008 at 8:58 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Purple Rabbit - December 10, 2008 at 2:23 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Baird - December 11, 2008 at 10:38 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by lukec - December 12, 2008 at 12:29 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Dotard - December 14, 2008 at 12:03 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Edwardo Piet - December 14, 2008 at 12:08 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Dotard - December 14, 2008 at 12:14 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Edwardo Piet - December 14, 2008 at 12:37 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Purple Rabbit - December 14, 2008 at 2:21 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Edwardo Piet - December 14, 2008 at 9:49 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Tiberius - December 4, 2008 at 10:31 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Edwardo Piet - December 4, 2008 at 10:45 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Psalm 23 - December 4, 2008 at 11:32 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by leo-rcc - December 4, 2008 at 11:50 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Ace Otana - December 4, 2008 at 12:43 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by LukeMC - December 4, 2008 at 12:47 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Psalm 23 - December 4, 2008 at 12:48 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Edwardo Piet - December 4, 2008 at 1:01 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Dotard - December 4, 2008 at 10:57 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Psalm 23 - December 4, 2008 at 11:34 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Dotard - December 5, 2008 at 10:14 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by Daystar - December 5, 2008 at 11:05 am
RE: Believers don't believe - by LukeMC - December 5, 2008 at 12:00 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Ace Otana - December 5, 2008 at 12:56 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by lukec - December 5, 2008 at 2:15 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Dotard - December 5, 2008 at 11:06 pm
RE: Believers don't believe - by Psalm 23 - December 6, 2008 at 12:06 pm

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