RE: Converting from islam any help?
October 16, 2013 at 6:42 am
(This post was last modified: October 16, 2013 at 6:50 am by Mystic.)
I left Islam only to return to it. I am not a believer (momin) nor a disbeliever nor a denier. Hadiths describe the state as living in a state and world between this and that. Reason and ignorance.
I can tell you translations are unreliable, tafsirs do more harm then good, and that simple connections there is something I don't know what and how and why but it blocks people from seeing the clearest connections, the most repeated messages, the explanations of a verse by another verse, and the recitation.
There is a different way of thinking. There is different way of understanding language and expressions.
That said...if you feel like you have to leave Islam because you don't have reason it is true, then it's what you must do.
Blindly following Mohammad is an oxymoron. The Quran in so many verses has shown that it's an oxymoron and it's one the central messages.
You can say it praises both, blindly following and following with insight, but I don't think you can prove that.
Still what a sentence means, it's easy for us to conclude in quick way in a context of a person we are familiar with his way of talking or just common people.
But if God was talking, we might not really be able to understand what he intends. His speech would have more wisdom. Some universal application. Still it maybe so clear but for some reason, we don't see, we don't comprehend, not because our intellects are faulty but because of Satan and his forces.
It's hard trial the Quran. It makes you want to believe but doesn't force you too. Still we may at point where God doesn't want us to believe because we aren't justified in believing, but we self deceive ourselves we believe and are even totally justified in doing so. The Self deception becomes the root of our existence to the extent the Quran becomes due the fact we have a Satanic understanding of much of the Quran that destroys every precious jewel and beauty in it and it's signs and rooms of faith to the extent we are worshipping a horrible creation of our minds, the very root of what we fear - evil of ourselves. It's what leads suicide bombers for example to blow themselves up in a Shia Masjid in pleasing not Allah but the root of the Taghut.
All I can tell you is that it takes patience. Denying Quran because we can't understand a phrase or solve what appears to be a contradiction is harmful to us because we maybe destroying a very helpful tool in helping us. Still believing in wholeheartedly in every verse is problematic if we haven't understood every verse. We maybe misinterpreting words and what they mean to purified souls, to the extent, we may hate most of humanity and think evil of them, while perhaps the Quran has come to tell us to believe "as humanity has believed" but is hidden in the heart.
All I can tell you a helpful hint is the Quran in it's complexity and simplicity is saying to us "You know something but can't explain but in seeking an explanation and clarification you journey towards a bliss unseen a laughter forgotten a treasure lost, don't be hasty but don't be too slow, it's tough struggle, hard test, but you can make it"
Or it's simply telling you what Mufasa told Simba "You have forgotten who you are so you have forgotten me, remember who you are, remember who you are".
I can tell you translations are unreliable, tafsirs do more harm then good, and that simple connections there is something I don't know what and how and why but it blocks people from seeing the clearest connections, the most repeated messages, the explanations of a verse by another verse, and the recitation.
There is a different way of thinking. There is different way of understanding language and expressions.
That said...if you feel like you have to leave Islam because you don't have reason it is true, then it's what you must do.
Blindly following Mohammad is an oxymoron. The Quran in so many verses has shown that it's an oxymoron and it's one the central messages.
You can say it praises both, blindly following and following with insight, but I don't think you can prove that.
Still what a sentence means, it's easy for us to conclude in quick way in a context of a person we are familiar with his way of talking or just common people.
But if God was talking, we might not really be able to understand what he intends. His speech would have more wisdom. Some universal application. Still it maybe so clear but for some reason, we don't see, we don't comprehend, not because our intellects are faulty but because of Satan and his forces.
It's hard trial the Quran. It makes you want to believe but doesn't force you too. Still we may at point where God doesn't want us to believe because we aren't justified in believing, but we self deceive ourselves we believe and are even totally justified in doing so. The Self deception becomes the root of our existence to the extent the Quran becomes due the fact we have a Satanic understanding of much of the Quran that destroys every precious jewel and beauty in it and it's signs and rooms of faith to the extent we are worshipping a horrible creation of our minds, the very root of what we fear - evil of ourselves. It's what leads suicide bombers for example to blow themselves up in a Shia Masjid in pleasing not Allah but the root of the Taghut.
All I can tell you is that it takes patience. Denying Quran because we can't understand a phrase or solve what appears to be a contradiction is harmful to us because we maybe destroying a very helpful tool in helping us. Still believing in wholeheartedly in every verse is problematic if we haven't understood every verse. We maybe misinterpreting words and what they mean to purified souls, to the extent, we may hate most of humanity and think evil of them, while perhaps the Quran has come to tell us to believe "as humanity has believed" but is hidden in the heart.
All I can tell you a helpful hint is the Quran in it's complexity and simplicity is saying to us "You know something but can't explain but in seeking an explanation and clarification you journey towards a bliss unseen a laughter forgotten a treasure lost, don't be hasty but don't be too slow, it's tough struggle, hard test, but you can make it"
Or it's simply telling you what Mufasa told Simba "You have forgotten who you are so you have forgotten me, remember who you are, remember who you are".
