RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 18, 2013 at 2:37 pm
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2013 at 2:45 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(October 17, 2013 at 9:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: See the problem with de-nihilists, is this. They trust their conscience, but not its source. They form ethical systems based on reason without accepting the basis of the world's rational order. Its been 14 pages of "works for me" without any reflection on why it works. Nihilism is the logical conclusion of atheism. De-nilhism is the refusing to face that conclusion.
Did you make up that term yourself or did some other atheist-basher coin it for you?
(October 17, 2013 at 10:33 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote:(October 17, 2013 at 9:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: See the problem with de-nihilists, is this. They trust their conscience, but not its source. They form ethical systems based on reason without accepting the basis of the world's rational order.
What? That isn't intelligible to me. Elaborate please?
Sounds like presuppositionalism to me. God invented reason so when you use reason without acknowledging God, you're doing it wrong. A more honest rendering of Wooter's last sentence would be 'They form ethical systems based on reason without accepting my view of reality as the basis of the world's rational order'.
(October 17, 2013 at 10:33 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: And no, I'm not a nihilist in case you were wondering, though nor am I apposed to some forms of nihilism, even if I don't hold to them.
But you've GOT to be a nihilist if you're an atheist! Wooters doesn't even leave that as an option! It's like you're saying it takes more than Wooters claiming something to make it so. It's not Wooter's opinion, it's GOD's, Wooter's just the middle man and it's not his fault that God didn't give him more persuasive material to work with.