(October 19, 2013 at 11:45 pm)Polaris Wrote:(October 19, 2013 at 11:21 pm)Cheerful Charlie Wrote: In the philosophy forum, in a thread called Evidence for God, there is a debate about God, where essentially atheists are challenged on God's existence.
Arguments I will present will be, Omnigenesis, the problem of a creator God who is omniscient. Free will and the problem of evil.
Omnigenesis and time. Time is a severe problem for a possible God.
Super-omnipotence. Can God make 2 + 2 = 5?
The soap bubble God. Simplicity of God and aseity of God.
Christians and others say we can not disprove God. Yes we can, and its almost trivial to do so. It is merely a matter of taking their revealed claims about God's attributes and running them out to their logical conclusions.
Cheerful Charlie
How can you not say that free will (not the narrow Ancient Greek view) or at least a perceived notion of free will (who is to really say whether they have free will nor not?) per this definition, "voluntary choice or decision," is ultimately incompatible with pre-determinism?
Is fate really that solid? Life is not just a story in a book and even if the ending is known in the story of live, the in-between is still up to the individual on how they want to live their life.
The short bumpersticker answer is, if god creates all and is omniscient, knowing the future in full detail from any initial state of creation god chooses, all will unfold in a manner God will know in full detail. God's omniscience which is pretty much standard issue dogma causes strict determinism to obtain. Free will is impossible for sentient beings in such a Universe.
"Free will is impossible"
-- Martin Luther - 'Bondage of the Will"
Luther and Calvin and others adopted this from Augustine who tried for 30 years to square free will and the Bible and finally admitted it was impossible. Their versions were based on biblical dogma, mine is based more on logical deduction.
Cheerful Charlie
Cheerful Charlie
If I saw a man beating a tied up dog, I couldn't prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong.
- Attributed to Mark Twain
If I saw a man beating a tied up dog, I couldn't prove it was wrong, but I'd know it was wrong.
- Attributed to Mark Twain