What is the point of morality if you're a theist?

[Drich]

Who's dismissing it? I'm just saying that, in terms of the question originally being posed, accusing atheists of moral relativism is useless precisely because the idea has a proven record of failure.

What are you talking about? Soceity is currently based on moral relativism. The fact that just with in one generation there had been a drastic paradyme shift on the views and understanding of marriage, says that 'pop morality' is not based on an unchanging standard, but what ever soceity deems as being moral at the time.

What you are point to as 'failure' are the fallen ideals of the past, which are based on the same foundations as our current morality. The only difference is that 'we' do not have the hindsight to see what will stand the test of time. Even so, what 'we' believe to be moral has been created and instituted in the same fashion that the indians were slaughtered, hitler came to power and killed jews, and every other 'socially immoral' act we can Identify in our past, but at the time were deemed 'moral.' Which would have a thinking man ask what do we currently hold to as being 'moral' that is not truly righteous?

So, you know how the entire purpose of this thread was for me to show that morality is based on practical concerns and not the blessings of society?

And when 'soceity' deems it nessary to infringe on the rights and practices of others, then what? Who is moral then?

Take all emotion out of the world events for the past 10 years or so, and just look at what western soceity has done to manipulate the world to ensure the western way of life maintains social dominance. We fought two wars, and are currently looking at possiable 2 more, just so our current 'moral values' are maintained. Why does this soceity get to dictate to the rest of the world what is and is not moral? If everything is relitive then should we not turn the other cheek when attacked? Don't those in the east and far east have the right to develop what is right, good and moral for them?

-Or is there some greater reason that our 'morality' is better or more complete than the stuff they are peddeling?

Were god's commandments made for the benefit of mankind, in a moral sense? Or just to fulfill this prophecy?

The laws of God were issued so that we may see our short commings and seek out the attonement we need for eternal life.

Thank you, Drich, you got there in the end. That's precisely my point: asking "why are you keeping to morality if you don't believe in god?" is useless, because those morals we do have serve a demonstrable purpose for the good of the group, and hence the individuals within them. The reason we're moral without god is because god commanding it isn't the only reason one should.

Indeed. Self perservation is always the driving force to any soceity's morality. The questions I ask are to get you all to see the trivial nature of what this soceity deems to be 'moral.'

To think beyond regaurding your current 'morality' as being an absolute. If you can learn to question your foundations then you can learn to be free from your soceitial limitations.