Why can't non-christians talk with god?

[Godscreated]

I would say we should have a sit down and discuss what you did to earnestly seek God, in my experience with people those who actually sought God found Him, those who played at finding God did not. I mean none of this to reflect on you, just giving you what I've experienced with other people.

How would you determine whether someone actually sought him or "played at finding"? What is your criteria?

This is actually a tough situation and I have discovered that a forum is no place to discuss this. There could be criteria, there could be emotionalism, there could be some unfulfilled need, there's no way to know without setting down and talking through things, no arguing, no I'm superior to you because or anything likely to derail positive conversation.

GC

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I would say we should have a sit down and discuss what you did to earnestly seek God

In other words, I'll just claim that no matter what you did, you didn't do it right or didn't do it enough.

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Are you positive you didn't already have what you wanted in mind, many have talked themselves right out of a relationship with God. Only asking to see if you might have considered you wanted God not to be real.

And you're an idiot. You think I wanted to give up the religion I was born into and one which my wife still practiced? I never once in my life ever considered atheism as valid until I had serious doubts and the last vestiges of my faith were slipping away. And this was after I had prayed to God to show me that he exists and wants me to worship him. So just stop with the "You just don't want to believe" crap. I think it would be wonderful if there was some all-powerful cosmic being who loves humanity and is watching over us and taking care of us. But I just can't make myself believe that it is so.

I ask a simple question and then state that it might be something to consider. I did not mean anything by it, nothing more than a simple question. So tough guy, you have missed one of the most important things in Christianity, it is God who brings belief to the faithful, you can do nothing to gain salvation, God gives it all, you are to only accept the gift.

GC

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I would say we should have a sit down and discuss what you did to earnestly seek God

I'll bet for as many people that claim to have found god, there are almost as many methods they used.

Not to mention all the people of other religions that also claim to have found their god. With no method to discern the difference between your claims and theirs.

in my experience with people those who actually sought God found Him, those who played at finding God did not. I mean none of this to reflect on you, just giving you what I've experienced with other people.

But here's the rub. No matter how sincere and earnest a person was in seeking God, if they don't find him (or he doesn't find them), you have a built in way discount their efforts.

"Obviously, if you didn't find God, you had to be just playing at finding him. Because if you were earnest and sincere, you would have found him. How do I know? Because you didn't find him."

Circular reasoning at its best.

You sir, are wrong, just plain wrong, put that in your pipe and smoke it.

GC