(October 27, 2013 at 9:43 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote:(October 27, 2013 at 7:53 pm)Tkcjpii Wrote: Wow, impressive! Someone on this site actually quoted Anselm! There is hope for this forum after all! Someone made a cogent argument, instead of the regular f-bombs and downtalking, like cornered animals. Love it. wonder if he's an atheist?!?!
Er, thanks? I'll just take that bit at that.
Technically, I'm quoting Immanuel Kant's critique of St. Anselm's argument. I find Kant's and Hume's critiques of ontological arguments powerful and convincing, so it's no wonder I would post 'em. :p
Anyone familiar enough with mathematics and formal logic to know the real ramifications of this? The article isn't clear to me.
If it is an actual valid and sound proof of God's existence, I guess I'm a theist. I think there are still problems with the concept that might show a definite unsoundness with the argument, but it will definitely be a thorn in atheists' sides.
God can no more be proven by math and computers than, I can prove God by saying He exist. To come to God is by faith and belief comes God working through that faith and knowledge of God comes from god's work through belief. God says on this subject that no man can deny He exists because of His creation, yet He says nothing about accepting He did and is real. This statement will made clear at the judgement.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.