(October 28, 2013 at 11:22 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote:(October 28, 2013 at 1:26 am)Godschild Wrote: God can no more be proven by math and computers than, I can prove God by saying He exist.
You thereby give up any sense of justification for your belief in God. Congrats.
The only justification I'm responsible for is to myself and that comes first through faith, then progresses through to belief and then knowledge. So you see I've given up nothing and actually gained knowledge of God's existence.
GC Wrote:To come to God is by faith and belief comes God working through that faith and knowledge of God comes from god's work through belief. God says on this subject that no man can deny He exists because of His creation, yet He says nothing about accepting He did and is real. This statement will made clear at the judgement.
GC
MFM Wrote:I deny he exists. I see 'creation' and do not conclude he exists. Further, this is a fundamental contradiction with what you just said. If by the fact of creation I cannot deny God exists, that means such is in some sense a proof. And you've contradicted yourself again. To say God's existence is undeniable because of his creation, and then to say God says nothing about accepting that he's real is contradictory.
I should have made this clearer, not being able to deny God comes at the judgement, obviously, during one's time here one can deny God's existence. God will show those who deny Him here where the made their error, everything and I mean everything will be revealed at the judgement.
MFM Wrote:And if the truth of your religion is predicated on it being true that everyone believes he exists but simply pretends otherwise, it becomes even more impossible for me to accept your religion because under that I ALREADY know it to be false because I already know that I don't believe your God exists.
God says everyone will bend his/her knees and bow their before Him, and say, yes you truly are the King, this also occurs at the judgement. Rejecting God now is your only and free decision you can make in your present life or accepting Him into your life. Again sorry for making this confusing before.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.