Sinful Believers Wearing Their Sins

[GodsRevolt]

If the word "sin" throws you, we can call it whatever you like. Immoral behavior? Either way, I did not create it.

I know you didn't create 'sin', your 'savior' did.

Colossians 1:16 (NIV)

For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

That's right, your buddy Jesus made sin for him, so that he could use it against us.


I just praise The Flying Spaghetti Monster that the entire story is a steaming dung heap.

Amen, God created free will which is the antecedent to sin.

I'm not sure how He uses it against us. If you choose to over eat, you get fat. Like you say below, there are consequences to your actions.

My next question is - if you stumbled and asserted your correction, and this behavior was taught to you, were you truly forgiven or did that person or people have a no choice but to forgive you (rendering their forgiveness useless and insincere)?

Forgiveness, like apologizing is a choice. Each bear their respective consequences. They are not compulsory, but may be beneficial on an individual or group basis. I leave little room for altruism being anything more than a cause-and-effect theory in action.

But I see that you do believe in free will. And you say that altruism can be accounted for in cause-and-effect, like saying we as humans learned through trial-and-error that it is better to be kind then to be cruel, because that helps the group as a whole.

So, we get into human relations, which is where the idea of "sin" or "immoral behavior" centers itself.

Now, say I wronged you, something awful. Whatever it is, it is done, and the consequences have been laid out by the community. Does it mean anything that I come to seek your forgiveness? Just coming to apologize out of my own free will. Does that mean anything?