Sinful Believers Wearing Their Sins

[GodsRevolt]

I fixed that for you.

So you are rejecting free will so much as to say that we have been shaped and have trouble breaking from the chemicals and social patterns? But where does free will come in, then? You said earlier that apologizing as well as forgiveness are a choice, but not if we only do it because we are shaped to do it. But if we are wired to be "good members of the community" why do so many still act outside of the chemical and social shaping?

Excellent question. Evolution in process, is my answer.

Also, sorry i keep messing up the quotes. I am trying to trim them, but I think I am taking out the important parts.

Yes, this will eventually cause you to misquote someone - be cautious.

Evolution, ok, but I'm still not understanding your stance on free will. Some of us have the ability to break social norms and chemical patterns, but evolution in process is weeding them out.

So, the natural end here would be a perfect society of people giving in to their chemicals and social constructs, getting along with everyone else.

Is this where you are going?


And for the definition of sin . . . "an offense against reason truth and right conscience." CCC paragraph 1849

and it goes on, but I thought I'd see what you made of that first.

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I mean for you to explain your rationale to say that free will is an antecedent to sin.

Free will, or the ability to choose or make your own decision in any circumstance, came before sin. You must have free will in order to choose anything, whether it be right or wrong. Without free will, there is no choice.

So, if you were a robot you would have no free will. Your actions would be controlled by your programming or whoever is holding your controller. If you unjustly kill someone, it wouldn't be you doing it. You could not be held accountable, it would not even be your action. it would just be your carrying out the actions of your programming or your controller.

There is no sin if there is no choice to sin.