steals baby thigh for fried baby thigh tacos with cabbage, lime, chipotle sauce, sour cream and shredded cheese wrapped in a soft flour tortilla I'll share if there's any left!!!

(October 28, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Zazzy Wrote: I prefer to deny ironclad data, but if none is available, I'll deny logic. I'm an atheist, after all, with no purpose, no morals, and no education.

I prefer to start with denying my own existence. After all, I can't be a filthy sinner if I don't exist, amirite?

(October 28, 2013 at 8:05 pm)Zazzy Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 8:03 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Glutton!

Why the fuck not? There's no reason to stay thin. It's all so pointless. Wait a minute... THE BABY THIGH IS GONE. A classic distraction. You better go find another baby, cheater. I want this one marinated with ginger and lime, 'K?

Oh shit! I just put the neighbor's kid on with carrots, onion, and celery, will that do?

(October 28, 2013 at 7:49 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: By telling me that I am a sinner from birth and that I need him from the get-go, or the sentence is eternity for me in a hell the he also created if I don't agree with his pronouncement of judgment. Extortion much? AND for something no one can prove I'm responsible for - I just inherit it (thanks god, but i reject THAT inheritance).

Your own free will? It is most likely that "your will" like mine, and most decent people, has been subconsciously shaped to agree with the social model over millions of years of evolution. Your 'sense' of where that comes from requires no more than your biological agreement with your current evolutionary composition.

On a side note; I would be inclined to accept your apology for the same reason that you made it - because our chemicals make us feel best when we agree with their ordered structure and function.
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So you are rejecting free will so much as to say that we have been shaped and have trouble breaking from the chemicals and social patterns? But where does free will come in, then? You said earlier that apologizing as well as forgiveness are a choice, but not if we only do it because we are shaped to do it. But if we are wired to be "good members of the community" why do so many still act outside of the chemical and social shaping?

And if free will really does exist, how hard is it to break away from these chemicals and social constructs? Would there be a reason to do so? or is it better to just give in and let the chemicals take you? (Some sort of naturally "good" high) Should we choose to be the robot?

It seems to me that we need something outside of ourselves to not only lay out the rules but to also forgive us when we do not follow those rules. That is what makes us truly human, that is what makes us truly free. Not slaves to chemicals or dependent on social constructs, but beings living in a state of pure free-will with genuine choices that have consequences (like you said)

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Also, sorry i keep messing up the quotes. I am trying to trim them, but I think I am taking out the important parts.

(October 28, 2013 at 8:08 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 8:01 pm)Zazzy Wrote: I prefer to deny ironclad data, but if none is available, I'll deny logic. I'm an atheist, after all, with no purpose, no morals, and no education.

I prefer to start with denying my own existence. After all, I can't be a filthy sinner if I don't exist, amirite?

Plus, it's an excellent excuse to use with the coppers when they bust you for all that immoral behavior.

"Officer, that CAN'T be my dope. I don't exist!"
"My mistake, sir. Have a nice non-existence."

(October 28, 2013 at 7:46 pm)Owlix Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 7:36 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote: Amen, God created free will which is the antecedent to sin.

Explain this, please. I don't want to draw any undue inferences from your comment which really can mean many different things based on the approach with which you present said comment.

Without free will we cannot choose anything. Without free will, there is nothing in our actions that we can be help accountable for. That means no sin.

I mean for you to explain your rationale to say that free will is an antecedent to sin.

(October 28, 2013 at 8:12 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 7:49 pm)freedomfromfallacy Wrote: Your own free will? It is most likely that "your will" like mine, and most decent people, has been subconsciously shaped to agree with the social model over millions of years of evolution. Your 'sense' of where that comes from requires no more than your biological agreement with your current evolutionary composition.

I fixed that for you.

(October 28, 2013 at 8:12 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote: So you are rejecting free will so much as to say that we have been shaped and have trouble breaking from the chemicals and social patterns? But where does free will come in, then? You said earlier that apologizing as well as forgiveness are a choice, but not if we only do it because we are shaped to do it. But if we are wired to be "good members of the community" why do so many still act outside of the chemical and social shaping?

Excellent question. Evolution in process, is my answer.

(October 28, 2013 at 8:12 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote: Also, sorry i keep messing up the quotes. I am trying to trim them, but I think I am taking out the important parts.

Yes, this will eventually cause you to misquote someone - be cautious.

(October 28, 2013 at 8:16 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote: Without free will we cannot choose anything. Without free will, there is nothing in our actions that we can be help accountable for. That means no sin.

Define sin.

And pull up a chair- it looks like FFF's baby is almost done. I hope it's not another Catholic- so stringy. I prefer the Pentecostal babies. Juicy.

***Edit: And to think I didn't notice you were Catholic when I wrote that! If it makes you feel better, the Episcopalians taste the worst.

(October 28, 2013 at 8:30 pm)Zazzy Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 8:16 pm)GodsRevolt Wrote: Without free will we cannot choose anything. Without free will, there is nothing in our actions that we can be help accountable for. That means no sin.

Define sin.

And pull up a chair- it looks like FFF's baby is almost done. I hope it's not another Catholic- so stringy. I prefer the Pentecostal babies. Juicy.

***Edit: And to think I didn't notice you were Catholic when I wrote that! If it makes you feel better, the Episcopalians taste the worst.

I already asked GodsRevolt to define sin, and they have not. As far as the breed goes, I'm making Baptist Baby Bisque. It's got a lot of fat in it, but it goes down easier than a Catholic shcoolgirl.