RE: Is killing a witch always a bad thing?
October 29, 2013 at 9:12 am
(This post was last modified: October 29, 2013 at 9:33 am by Drich.)
(October 27, 2013 at 11:46 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:(October 27, 2013 at 8:37 pm)Drich Wrote: I will concede there is a debate, but it only seem to be a debate among those who want to seperate and give Wicca a legitimacy, from witchcraft. Just because there is a popular movement to deny the orgins of 'Wicca' does not mean the the "art of witch craft" somehow 'magically' stops fitting the dictionary definition of a religion.Those sources are wrong. There is magic and there is religion. Witchcraft is magic. Wicca is religion. Just as voodoo is a religion but hoodoo is magic. It should also be pointed out that Christians also sometimes dabble in magic.
(If you click on the right link it will provide you with the actual definition of the word.)
You have based your argument on 'feeling' and not fact. All three sources identify witchcraft as a religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca
http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm
http://www.realmagick.com/witchcraft-religion/
Did you even read the references i left?
witchcraft is a religion because it Literally fits the defination. The 'magic' aspect is the desired purpose for adhearing to certain practices, cermonies, and potions. But even if 'no magic' happens the adheareance to practices cermonies and potions unique to witchcraft is still considered practicing witchcraft.
You can "Nut-uh" all you want, and tell me all about how that not what you believe based on popular thought, but untill you put some research behind your words, your thoughts will be dismissed outright as personal feeling.
(October 28, 2013 at 1:53 am)max-greece Wrote: One of the problems with the OP is that witchcraft covers a very wide range. There are examples of malicious witchcraft in Africa and other places alongside malicious examples of Christian paranoia over witchcraft (see Stimbo's link).
I am not sure this can be equated to the situation in Europe over a 500 year period when an unknown number of women were burnt (possibly 100,000 plus) for being witches. It appears that their major crime was being independent women, or old women living on their own, or ugly women again on their own or living with other women (thereby being classified as a coven).
Whatever horrors one might suppose witches have done over history it appears this diminishes into nothing compared to the crimes against women, by Christianity, under the excuse of witchcraft.
From the little I know of Wiccans they seem to bear very little resemblance to any of the above - being worshippers of nature more than anything else. Further, I have never heard of a case of Wiccans harming anyone (not that this means the odd case may have come up but but as an example of causality it would be massively rarer than Christianity or Islam, for example).
That's one of the points I am making here. If the actions of a practicing witch can be justified in her/his death under our laws of self defense, how much more free would those laws be 300 years ago?
The fact that the death of a practicing witch is off the table means that the death of a witch 300 years ago would mean there is a prejudice against the culture then or in the religion they used to combat witchcraft.. Remember the end result is the same just the justification leading up to that end result differs. Which makes your personal 'righteousness'/justifications (Self righteousness) somehow better than someone who lived 300 years ago.
(October 28, 2013 at 7:39 am)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Yes. It is always wrong to kill a witch. It is always wrong to kill a Catholic. It is always wrong to kill a Muslim. It is always wrong to kill a Baptist. It is always wrong to kill a Jew.
But if, in the practice of their religion, witches (or anyone else) destroys property or harms or endangers people, it is NOT wrong to fine or imprison them.
But Drich, how many of the men and women who over the centuries have been burned, hanged, drowned, impaled or pressed to death, were people who had actual compacts with Satan and were working evil in the world? Quick answer: None. Long answer: None at all.
Boru

(October 28, 2013 at 9:18 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote:(October 28, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Drich Wrote: Those who can, do. Those who can't argue. those who can't even argue grade papers, and correct spelling... So how is that working out for ya? To know that the guy who does not know witch "your" to use, still kicked in your fake doctorate teeth on your last arguement?
Maybe you should just start over with a new screen name or something. I don't ever check, so if you swap I won't know unless you say something.. Just a word of advise next time don't pretend to be something you are not.
Also know that As long as you use this name I will vow to remind you of your failed attempt to lie to me about your education, until you admit it, and appologise.
It's word of "advice", not "advise". "Apologize" has only one "p".
I have not lied about anything. You, on the other hand, have NO education, and therefore all you BS carries no weight at all.
You "kicked" nothing. You continue with every post, to demonstrate your complete lack of education, junior. (BTW, you totally missed the point about your "capricious" deity, and you failed to tell us what exactly the process of choice was.) You also missed the point about the language, wheich everyone who read you idiot post noted.
Den if me so stupid, why you quit arguement that you say you can win so easy?
why you no answer? why you seem scared to say anything beside mean things to me?
You know this make you look intimidated, broken, a stupid yourseff. Because if stupid man make smart man feel intimidated and broken by what he say, and smart man can not make stupid man stop by what he say, then smart man not seem so smart, do he? Maybe it mean smart man really stoo-ped-er than stupid man huh??
(October 28, 2013 at 9:30 pm)Zazzy Wrote:(October 28, 2013 at 9:18 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: It's word of "advice", not "advise". "Apologize" has only one "p".Drich likes to accuse people of lying about their jobs and educations. It's a tactic to avoid them. It's also really rude, and an ongoing habit, since he did it with me, too. Perhaps we should report him for it.
I have not lied about anything. You, on the other hand, have NO education, and therefore all you BS carries no weight at all.
You "kicked" nothing. You continue with every post, to demonstrate your complete lack of education, junior. (BTW, you totally missed the point about your "capricious" deity, and you failed to tell us what exactly the process of choice was.) You also missed the point about the language, wheich everyone who read you idiot post noted.
what did you lie about?