RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
October 29, 2013 at 3:47 pm
(This post was last modified: October 29, 2013 at 4:00 pm by Godscreated.)
(October 29, 2013 at 12:39 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote:(October 28, 2013 at 1:17 pm)Godschild Wrote: The only justification I'm responsible for is to myself and that comes first through faith, then progresses through to belief and then knowledge. So you see I've given up nothing and actually gained knowledge of God's existence.
If you begin by simply assuming God exists with NO justification, then you can't claim to arrive at knowledge that he exists: you just assume he does through faity, by your own admission. You've given up 'nothing', and gained just as much in return.
Faith and assumption are two very different things. Scientist make assumptions all the time and pursue them to the end, no evidence, no proof they follow what they think is correct. You've given no proof of why faith can not lead to knowledge, you just assume I can't.
GC Wrote:I should have made this clearer, not being able to deny God comes at the judgement, obviously, during one's time here one can deny God's existence. God will show those who deny Him here where the made their error, everything and I mean everything will be revealed at the judgement.
Quote:So in other words, God will reveal himself to exist on Judgement Day, but not now. Since he will not reveal himself now, billions upon billions will go to Hell because of his deliberate inaction. Voila, he is either incompetent or evil.
That's not what I said and you know it, twisting words is nothing more than deception. There are 100's of millions alive today that have come to know God because He has revealed Himself. God will reveal at judgement how those who decided to reject Christ had the opportunity and rejected Him. God's action is very apparent when one wants to see it, putting blinders on will be no defense at the judgment.
GC Wrote:God says everyone will bend his/her knees and bow their before Him, and say, yes you truly are the King, this also occurs at the judgement. Rejecting God now is your only and free decision you can make in your present life or accepting Him into your life. Again sorry for making this confusing before.
GC
Quote:So great, the whole thing is a farce. If such is my only 'free' decision, I never had the capacity to do otherwise. Which necessitates that I never actually chose whether or not to accept God exists since the entirety of my life leading up to and deciding that was predetermined. So it is not a 'free' choice in any sense of the word. Try not to contradict yourself, okay?
No, you have the choice to choose Christ or reject Him, this is the one area God will never interfere in your choice. The rest of your life may not be so, all depends on God's ultimate will. Your life is not predetermined and if you believe that you live a defeated life, now that would truly be tragic. For someone who claims to be a person of reason you have a distinct habit of laying it aside when it comes to God.
GC
(October 29, 2013 at 3:09 pm)Brian37 Wrote:(October 29, 2013 at 2:05 pm)Godschild Wrote: You're surrounded by them every time you go in public, can you pick them out.What the ever loving fuck do you mean he doesn't threaten?
GC
Of coarse, how else do you have a relationship with someone, you know of a different way.
GC
At one time I took you or someone who was sensible and intelligent, guess I was quite wrong.
There is no contradiction in my statement, nowhere in scripture does it say God tortures, as a matter of fact it continually states that one chooses to go to eternal punishment.
Here's your answer, God doesn't threaten, He gave you a choice and you as a spoiled brat want to cry and whine like a child. The reason you do not want to worship God is because you have never known the loving grace of salvation from Him. You want to live for yourself and that comes with a price, one you are apparently willing to pay, shame really Christ has already payed the price if you will accept it.
GC
Hell isn't even like a parent saying "If you don't clean your room, you cant go out and play"
Hell is "If you don't clean your room I will butt fuck you with a barbed wire condom and I will do so for eternity"
You are a dishonest person, you are making accusations you can not prove, I would suggest you get busy proving what you have stated. You're anger at God and His children it shows in dramatic style, why not try a more rational approach.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.