Computer Scientists "prove" God exists

[Godscreated]

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Faith and assumption are two very different things. Scientist make assumptions all the time and pursue them to the end, no evidence, no proof they follow what they think is correct. You've given no proof of why faith can not lead to knowledge, you just assume I can't.

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Faith IS an assumption by definition. Faith means to presume something is true regardless of the evidence (or lack thereof). Scientists do make assumptions, but the assumptions themselves are just a methodology, not claims of a known truth, unlike your faith, which you already implicitly admitted.

Just like scientists, Christians begin with faith, then through faith come to belief and then through belief come to knowledge. A process of learning and discovery not really different than what scientist do. Those Christians that stop short in their relationship with God, like at the point of belief would naturally have trouble claiming knowledge, I personally did not stop at belief, I enjoy knowledge and look to obtain it. If a scientist stops at belief he/she does not have the knowledge either.

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That's not what I said and you know it, twisting words is nothing more than deception. There are 100's of millions alive today that have come to know God because He has revealed Himself. God will reveal at judgement how those who decided to reject Christ had the opportunity and rejected Him. God's action is very apparent when one wants to see it, putting blinders on will be no defense at the judgment.

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That is what you JUST SAID GC. You just said that I can (and do) den God's existence until Judgement Day. I didn't say that (assuming God exists) God cannot do so, but that seeing as BILLIONS have not had a revelation by this supposedly existing being, His inaction is by your own (accidental) admission causing people to go to Hell. To say I'm 'putting on blinders' because of an incoherent concept like that is childishly silly. Par for the course for you.

Can you prove that all these people have not had God reveal Himself to them, please don't say because He doesn't exist we are assuming in this conversation He does. Now I know there are millions who have not heard about Christ and God has made provision for this, but we're discussing God's revelation He is. Yes I say you have put blinders own because you do not want to believe God exists, you're afraid that would ruin your life.

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No, you have the choice to choose Christ or reject Him, this is the one area God will never interfere in your choice. The rest of your life may not be so, all depends on God's ultimate will. Your life is not predetermined and if you believe that you live a defeated life, now that would truly be tragic. For someone who claims to be a person of reason you have a distinct habit of laying it aside when it comes to God.

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This is where being able to reason effectively comes in handy GC. If my only guaranteed 'free' choice is to choose Christ and the rest of my life I cannot know whether or not I ever had a 'free' choice, then it necessarily follows that it was never in my power to actually choose Christ (or not) since the molding of my personality is directly the result of my life leading up to that 'free' choice, the life I can never know that I had ANY control of.

So you see GC, when you learn to reason decently well, don't contradict yourself and present your case well, you'll stop embarrassing yourself with your kindergarten theology.

I've not contradicted myself, it's just the way you want to read it so you can justify you're disbelief, remember what I said about those blinders you put on. You o have a choice as to where you would rather spend eternity and, if you can't see this you are either blind or just don't care. Also if you think I care whether or not you think I'm embarrassing myself you couldn't be more wrong, what God sees is what I care about.

GC