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Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
(October 30, 2013 at 5:43 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote:
(October 30, 2013 at 5:15 pm)Godschild Wrote: Just like scientists, Christians begin with faith, then through faith come to belief and then through belief come to knowledge. A process of learning and discovery not really different than what scientist do. Those Christians that stop short in their relationship with God, like at the point of belief would naturally have trouble claiming knowledge, I personally did not stop at belief, I enjoy knowledge and look to obtain it. If a scientist stops at belief he/she does not have the knowledge either.

All this portion is hand-waiving. You ignored what I said and just repeated yourself. What a shocker. If you assume God exists from the outset, you cannot gain knowledge that God exists from that faith alone. God himself would have to demonstrate that in some fashion.

He does, I've already explained that.

GC Wrote:Can you prove that all these people have not had God reveal Himself to them, please don't say because He doesn't exist we are assuming in this conversation He does. Now I know there are millions who have not heard about Christ and God has made provision for this, but we're discussing God's revelation He is. Yes I say you have put blinders own because you do not want to believe God exists, you're afraid that would ruin your life.

MFM Wrote:Now you are either misrepresenting what I said or completely misunderstanding what I said, in addition to making assertions you can neither justify nor demonstrate. Assuming God exists, I never said he cannot or has not revealed himself to people. I've said this 3 times now. What I said is that, by your own accidental admission, there are BILLIONS of others who God has not revealed himself to. To say that God has trevealed himself to people, yet failed to convert them or at least make them realize he has done so, nullifies his omnipotence and makes him incompetent.

God has revealed Himself to all in some way, I'm not privy to how He does this, nor do I need to be. I've never said He hasn't as you are suggesting everyone will have God revealed to them at some point in their lives. God has not fail, those who reject Him are exercising their choice within their free will, God will force no one to choose Him.

MFM Wrote:Further, you cannot even evidence his existence in the first place.

I do not have to, God does that for everyone, it's not His responsibility to force one into a decision.

MFM Wrote:And how do you know I don't want God to exist? As I already demonstrated back on Page 2, I'm pefectly willing to admit God exists if there is powerful, undeniable evidence supporting that as true. There is nothing about God existing that would 'ruin my life'. Since you made the assertion that it would (without providing any evidence as usual), demonstrate how God existing would ruin my life?

You haven't sought Him out have you? Of coarse you would say He exist when you have absolute proof, only an idiot wouldn't. That's why I said at the judgement everyone will bend on knee and bow their head and call God the LORD of all.
You haven't sought out God for a reason, could it be that if you were to find Him you would have to give up the life you're so happy with for one you seem to deny as worth to live.


GC Wrote:I've not contradicted myself, it's just the way you want to read it so you can justify you're disbelief, remember what I said about those blinders you put on. You do have a choice as to where you would rather spend eternity and, if you can't see this you are either blind or just don't care. Also if you think I care whether or not you think I'm embarrassing myself you couldn't be more wrong, what God sees is what I care about.

GC

MFM Wrote:GC, I just demonstrated my point and you ignored it and just reiterated what you already were called out on.

You just said that the ONLY guaranteed 'free' choice we have is "where we spend eternity", yes?

Yes, that's what I said and have presented nothing to indicate differently.

MFM Wrote:Do you agree that your experiences in life and ability to reason conscript (mold) how you will respond to things due to them being your background information on how to address questions?

No, I believe everyone can make decisions due to the facts at hand, spiritually or physically. I've changed greatly over my life and foresee changing in the future.

MFM Wrote:If you answer "Yes" to both questions, you contradicted yourself. And if you answer "No" to the second question, you entangle yourself in a contradiction of no escape. Hence you are embarrassing yourself by demonstrating your inability to reason well or honestly.

I try and deal with life as honestly as possible.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Silver - October 27, 2013 at 8:39 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Chas - October 27, 2013 at 8:45 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Brian37 - October 29, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Dragonetti - October 27, 2013 at 9:20 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Esquilax - October 27, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Tkcjpii - October 27, 2013 at 7:53 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - October 28, 2013 at 1:26 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Esquilax - October 28, 2013 at 1:28 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Cinjin - October 28, 2013 at 2:02 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - October 28, 2013 at 1:17 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Esquilax - October 28, 2013 at 2:06 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - October 29, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Brian37 - October 29, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Esquilax - October 30, 2013 at 7:32 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - October 30, 2013 at 5:15 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Esquilax - October 30, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - October 30, 2013 at 8:24 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - October 31, 2013 at 1:13 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Silver - October 30, 2013 at 5:37 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Owlix - October 27, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Cinjin - October 27, 2013 at 8:48 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by DLJ - October 28, 2013 at 7:01 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by max-greece - October 28, 2013 at 7:06 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - October 28, 2013 at 9:02 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Silver - October 28, 2013 at 10:26 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - October 28, 2013 at 10:48 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Silver - October 28, 2013 at 10:49 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - October 29, 2013 at 12:41 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - October 29, 2013 at 7:37 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Zen Badger - October 29, 2013 at 9:29 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Walking Void - October 28, 2013 at 12:24 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - October 28, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - October 29, 2013 at 2:56 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - October 29, 2013 at 5:11 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - October 29, 2013 at 9:35 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by LastPoet - October 30, 2013 at 6:35 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by LastPoet - October 29, 2013 at 7:30 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - October 29, 2013 at 8:13 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Dragonetti - October 29, 2013 at 7:37 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - October 29, 2013 at 2:05 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Brian37 - October 29, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Zen Badger - October 30, 2013 at 5:54 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - October 30, 2013 at 9:48 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by LastPoet - October 30, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by LostLocke - October 30, 2013 at 12:46 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - October 30, 2013 at 8:43 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - November 4, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - November 5, 2013 at 12:46 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - November 5, 2013 at 1:45 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - November 5, 2013 at 3:01 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - November 5, 2013 at 2:01 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - November 5, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Anomalocaris - November 5, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - November 5, 2013 at 4:37 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - November 5, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Anomalocaris - November 5, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Zen Badger - October 31, 2013 at 7:36 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - November 1, 2013 at 3:24 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Zen Badger - November 3, 2013 at 2:57 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Sejanus - November 1, 2013 at 4:20 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by orogenicman - November 3, 2013 at 10:13 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Owlix - November 5, 2013 at 8:52 pm
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Godschild - November 6, 2013 at 12:57 am
RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists - by Anomalocaris - November 6, 2013 at 1:13 am

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