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Theists, some questions
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RE: Theists, some questions
(November 5, 2013 at 9:34 am)ToriJ Wrote: I find the lack of theists responses saddening, so I'd like to take a shot at this if you don't mind.

(October 21, 2013 at 9:27 am)TheBeardedDude Wrote: In claiming something to be a miracle, is it necessary to know of all possible natural explanations for said event? If so, how can you ever claim it to be a miracle since you cannot possibly know of all possibilities? If not, how can you claim it to be a miracle? (miracle = suspension of the natural order)

Had you got to me while I was still a theist I actually wouldn't have known how to answer this question and I would have been up front about it. I accepted that I didn't have all the answers and saw no shame in admitting it. Something I notice a lot of theists don't like admitting, especially in the company of atheists.

(October 21, 2013 at 9:27 am)TheBeardedDude Wrote: If god commanded you to kill someone (for all intents and purposes let's assume we both agree that it is in fact god itself/himself/herself who did indeed tell you to do so), is following god's orders and killing them a moral action? Why or why not?

Now this on the other hand would have been easier for me to approach as I would have been able to easily imagine myself in such a hypothetical scenario. Reluctantly asking why God wanted me to kill the individual and then begging that person to be spared if he persisted. Ultimately I would have refused and feared being turned into ash for disobeying God with the hope that the test was a mix of bewaring falsehoods and showing compassion for my fellow man. Knowing God's tales in the OT it wouldn't surprise if me such a scenario had ended with you failing if you opt to go through with the murder.

As for the moral question I either would've said no with the justification that God's endgame wouldn't have been to kill the person in the first place, or yes because a creator would dictate what is right and wrong and who should die.

I'm curious if any of the other theists you mentioned in the OP that answered this question off-site have given similar responses.

I haven't actually had anyone give a response on here about if they would or would not kill someone if god told them to.

The point in my last post is that an action can't be a moral (or immoral) one if you do it strictly because you are commanded to do so by whoever is in charge. It becomes an amoral action at best to carry it out. It literally can't be a moral action, even if the supreme dictator is the one supposedly making the distinction between moral and immoral. That is because you are not doing it for the morality of it, you are doing it because you are commanded to do so.
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Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 21, 2013 at 9:27 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 21, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - October 22, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 6:04 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Minimalist - October 22, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 6:16 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 22, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 22, 2013 at 6:50 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 6:53 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 22, 2013 at 7:03 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tripwire - January 31, 2014 at 12:39 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Simon Moon - October 22, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 22, 2013 at 7:45 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Mothonis - October 22, 2013 at 8:00 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Simon Moon - October 22, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Sword of Christ - October 23, 2013 at 12:59 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 23, 2013 at 1:25 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Walking Void - October 23, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - October 23, 2013 at 5:34 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - October 23, 2013 at 8:25 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 22, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Minimalist - October 22, 2013 at 6:56 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 22, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 22, 2013 at 7:07 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 22, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 23, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 22, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 22, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by max-greece - October 23, 2013 at 5:51 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Fruity - October 22, 2013 at 9:00 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - October 22, 2013 at 10:45 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Zazzy - October 22, 2013 at 10:49 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Cyberman - October 23, 2013 at 10:16 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 5:26 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Simon Moon - October 23, 2013 at 6:46 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 23, 2013 at 5:54 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 7:27 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 23, 2013 at 7:31 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 7:38 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 23, 2013 at 7:41 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 23, 2013 at 7:49 pm
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 23, 2013 at 7:48 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - October 23, 2013 at 10:34 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Einharjar - October 25, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Walking Void - October 27, 2013 at 2:59 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 27, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Walking Void - October 27, 2013 at 3:22 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by catfish - October 27, 2013 at 3:40 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - October 28, 2013 at 7:55 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 28, 2013 at 8:11 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - October 28, 2013 at 8:20 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - October 28, 2013 at 8:24 pm
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - October 29, 2013 at 6:40 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 7, 2013 at 7:15 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Cyberman - November 7, 2013 at 10:42 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 9, 2013 at 4:36 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 11, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 11, 2013 at 7:03 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 12, 2013 at 10:12 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 11, 2013 at 11:20 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 7, 2013 at 11:03 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Ayen - November 5, 2013 at 9:34 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 5, 2013 at 10:08 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Ayen - November 5, 2013 at 10:18 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 5, 2013 at 10:23 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 11, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 11, 2013 at 9:32 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 11, 2013 at 9:42 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 3:12 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 13, 2013 at 7:54 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 13, 2013 at 9:36 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 4:19 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 13, 2013 at 4:44 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 10:19 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 14, 2013 at 10:34 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 11, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 12, 2013 at 5:17 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 13, 2013 at 6:39 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 3:47 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 13, 2013 at 4:01 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 13, 2013 at 5:05 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 1:13 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 14, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 11:56 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 15, 2013 at 12:23 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 15, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 15, 2013 at 12:37 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 15, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Wolf - November 15, 2013 at 6:30 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Doubting Thomas - November 15, 2013 at 10:20 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 16, 2013 at 7:30 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - November 15, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by KichigaiNeko - November 13, 2013 at 8:01 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 11:06 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 13, 2013 at 4:26 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 4:29 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 13, 2013 at 10:08 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 14, 2013 at 11:48 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 11:57 pm
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 13, 2013 at 10:14 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by GodsRevolt - November 14, 2013 at 11:08 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 14, 2013 at 6:02 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by quantum_obedience - November 14, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 6:23 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by quantum_obedience - November 14, 2013 at 7:14 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by frankiej - November 14, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 14, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 11:10 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 11:42 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 14, 2013 at 11:54 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 14, 2013 at 11:57 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 15, 2013 at 12:03 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 15, 2013 at 12:14 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Bad Writer - November 15, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Lion IRC - November 15, 2013 at 8:28 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Optimistic Mysanthrope - November 15, 2013 at 10:39 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Cyberman - November 16, 2013 at 1:44 am
Re: RE: Theists, some questions - by TheBeardedDude - November 15, 2013 at 2:43 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by henryp - November 15, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by anonymous108 - January 24, 2014 at 10:32 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by Angrboda - January 30, 2014 at 3:41 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Whateverist - January 24, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Tonus - January 30, 2014 at 7:15 am
RE: Theists, some questions - by houseofcantor - January 30, 2014 at 4:02 pm
RE: Theists, some questions - by Angrboda - January 30, 2014 at 4:07 pm

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