The Men's Rights Movement: I Just Don't Get It.

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@ Optimistic Misanthrope:
Point taken. There have been some women warpigs. They're a minority, but they've been responsible for much conflict.
@bladevalant:
I have to think about your take on patriarchy. I don't think anyone consciously thinks they are propping up a patriarchy (with the exception of my horrible uncle and his ilk), but they are (WE are) aften doing just that. Women have been as guilty as men of supporting patriarchal ideas- feminism is largely about owning that responsibility and losing that mindset. Do we need a new word for it? Maybe. I still think every time you turn on the TV you can still see the old patriarchal archetypes at play (although we've added new ones that do portray men poorly as well).

I also don't believe that educated women of means are oppressed in the field of reproduction. I think any given man has fewer reproductive rights than I do. But it's a classist argument. Poor, uneducated women remain oppressed reproductively. And frankly, class is important in this entire discussion. If you want to see real old-fashioned patriarchy in action, visit some poor rural Southern areas. It's like the last 200 years never happened for many women there. Much of what we're discusssing here we're doing from a privileged vantage point.

I'd like to know what terminnology you think is more appropriate than "patriarchy," since it may, in educated circles, be a word whose time has come and gone.

*edited for spelling

Reasons I disagree with the term patriarchy is that 1.
a form of social organization in which the father is the supreme authority in the family, clan, or tribe and descent is reckoned in the male line, with the children belonging to the father's clan or tribe. 2. a society, community, or country based on this social organization. I just do not see that definition and how it applies in the government or systems of power. With that said, this is only applicable in the context of the modern era. However, I live I Louisiana and I see what you are referring to in regard to reproductive rights. So again it another extreme that we need to address. I will summarize simply with this, we need to use logic, reason and rationality here, and choose what’s best for both sides not just one side for real solutions to take hold. I think the best word to describe what is happening today would ne Monetary Feudalism. If you do not have a lot of money you are irrelevant to them and having power. Money is the defining part in intuitional inequality in today’s current world.

Thanks for the question i think it is a fair discussion.