All the problems with Christianity

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No, God hasn’t revealed anything to me, there is no God that I know anything about. I know nothing of God and very little of you, so I would not pretend to be able to speak for either. There is no single version of man’s God, but every version I’ve heard comes from a man. If your God does not have a hell, or in some way is incompatible to the way I’ve depicted it, then by all means, offer clarification of your position if you think it may reconcile the things I find incompatible with an allegedly loving God. Your God does not have a hell, or a devil involved in his doctrine I take it?

I think I like your "attitude" concerning your son. I basically feel the same about my children, my youngest just turned 10, my oldest is recently out of college.

But, I think you're selling "gift" too short. Of course you have your opinion, which I respect. But, life to me is "the gift". And we either use it as something precious and valued beyond ourselves. Or, we believe we are a random happening, and live for nothing other than making our lawns green, and weed free.

And what of our children? What is your hope for them? Or, is "hope" not something that means anything as "faith" doesn't?

Do you care that your child may find God? And in a way that you don't understand? Will that affect your love for him? If my children move away from God, (and a few are indeed) I'm saddened, but love them none-the-less! I have Hope.

And [if] God did reveal Himself to you, would it matter at this point in your life? What manner of revelation would be meaningful, and life changing?

I'm sorry to be presumptuous, but I say there is none that would change you! You see, the evidence is within, as Jesus' words rely. If it aint there I'm sorry to say it won't become that way.

But again, as Jesus says; "What is impossible for man, is possible for God."

So, yes there is Hope. At least for those who have it.

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You're kidding right? What is the difference between seeing something and evidence? Where to start....
I can see my computer screen in front of me. That is enough evidence to convince me that it exists. However, our brains are notorious for mucking things up. Hallucinations, delirium, imaginary friends. Sometimes we see things that aren't there: aliens, ghosts, bigfoot etc.
And aside from that, we have some things that clearly exist but are not visible to the human eye. The most obvious being gravity, air, the wind. We know these things exist due to evidence. We would not believe they exist if all we did was look for them.
Seeing, definitely is not believing. How many people in the past have looked up at the northern lights and thought gods or magic?

Who's kidding who?

So according to you, "hearing" something is akin to "knowing" something? And you have a slide rule in your back pocket too.

No. Seeing & Hearing/Reading evidence is not the same... Unless of course you have Faith!

My answer, and all of this was irrelevant due to the fact that you exist and your daughter exists and she knows that you exist. You do not know god exists in the same way your daughter knows that you exist therefore calling this scenario with your daughter: an example of faith is wrong.

So, you are saying that because you have a close relationship with someone, you can be [gauranteed] that they will do something for you?

No that is HOPE!

My daugther doesn't have hope that I will do anything. She has [faith] that I will do everything!

"Faith" is "hope" becoming reality. I have "faith" that God will take care of my entire life. I have "hope" He will take care of [your] life... and my childrens!

Of course we don't acknowledge it, no atheist does. It is not a tool to knowledge or wisdom or enlightenment. Its merely the excuse people give for believing in something without evidence. Its what christians say to you once you have them cornered and they can not justify their belief in god. All their answer comes down to is: well you just gotta have faith.
You parade faith around like some kind of virtue when it clearly is not. It is a no more desirable characteristic in a person than uncontrollable rage and aggression. Believing in something without any evidence is not holy or mystical or spiritual or special. It is stupidity and gullibility and it demonstrates just how irrational the human race can be.

So, we can quantize our stance, by those with "faith", and those w/o faith".

But, you are also selling "faith" short! You have faith and don't know it! Do you want me to list all the things you have faith about?

Or will you just call "faith", "knowing"? Which makes little difference.

Or "Believing"? Semantics again? Do you believe gravity will hold you down today? Or do you know, have faith it will? Which is it?

You can play with words as much as you want...but don't say they mean something they don't. Its the words following "I believe" that are the important ones.

So according to your logic here. You would be absolutely willing to start a new job without any other evidence than an email from someone. You wouldn't care that you have never met them before, you wouldn't care if you searched their company on the internet and found nothing. They don't need to prove they or their company exists?

Is that company God?