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All the problems with Christianity
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RE: All the problems with Christianity
(November 13, 2013 at 9:35 am)Texas Sailor Wrote: No, God hasn’t revealed anything to me, there is no God that I know anything about. I know nothing of God and very little of you, so I would not pretend to be able to speak for either. There is no single version of man’s God, but every version I’ve heard comes from a man. If your God does not have a hell, or in some way is incompatible to the way I’ve depicted it, then by all means, offer clarification of your position if you think it may reconcile the things I find incompatible with an allegedly loving God. Your God does not have a hell, or a devil involved in his doctrine I take it?

(November 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm)ronedee Wrote: And what of our children? What is your hope for them? Or, is "hope" not something that means anything as "faith" doesn't?
I have hope. Faith is pretending to know when I obviously cannot. I can’t know something by hoping it is true. That’s quite absurd. If you are claiming to know God exists through Faith, then it appears you are being intentionally misunderstood when you use the word “faith” to describe your anticipations toward your children’s future. In one instance you use faith to depict how you know something. In the very next you are using it as something you hope for. The reason these threads get confusing is exactly because of this. You think “Faith” is a virtue, something to be admired and valued. When you look at these two instances, it is clear that “faith” is an incoherent word used to describe one’s position when they are at a loss for reasons to support a claim. It’s a failed epistemology. Sure, it’s used interchangeably with hope and belief within the context of important issues such as love, an ideal society, and our children, but let’s be honest here…
You can’t KNOW anything through faith. Your persistence to substitute the word “hope” in the place of it to describe an unknowable future should make this apparent to you. I’m willing to bet that you wouldn’t find a babysitter on the internet based on Faith, right? Would you like to revise the definition again?

(November 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm)ronedee Wrote: Do you care that your child may find God? And in a way that you don't understand? Will that affect your love for him?
My mother is still a devout Christian, and I know she still loves me too. At times, the things you say remind me all too well of the things I’ve heard her say on the subject.
My son believing in God will not affect my love for him. If he was struck with a mental disorder, I wouldn’t love him any less, and faith is like a mental disorder.
I’m going to make sure that my son knows about ALL religions, not just Christianity, (just the facts, no values) and without my personal views being solicited to him. Every child in the world deserves to make an informed decision. A successful democratic system depends on an informed society. If people are not informed, there’s no freedom in that. Parents that impose their personal religious constraints on their young are doing their child a disservice by depriving them of truth. If their faith is the right one, and they believe their God will protect their child, they should have no problem exposing their child to all the other religions that think the same thing, and allow the child to decide for themselves whether one is right, or they’re all delusional. I expect the latter to be concluded, but any conclusion he makes won’t affect my love, but it also won’t prevent me from challenging his views and making him defend them critically. It’s my duty to my son to make sure that he learns to be as critical on himself as he is on anyone else, and to use his mind to guide him to truth.



(November 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm)ronedee Wrote: If my children move away from God, (and a few are indeed) I'm saddened, but love them none-the-less! I have Hope.
Why are you saddened? Are your kids not good people?

(November 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm)ronedee Wrote: And [if] God did reveal Himself to you, would it matter at this point in your life? What manner of revelation would be meaningful, and life changing?
It would be trivially easy for God to reveal himself to me if he existed.
Could a God positively impact my life if It existed? Of course. But what I won’t do is arbitrarily attribute good things that happen in my life as being from God, and pretend to know that its true. Such a thing discredits the personal effort put in to accomplish them. I take responsibility for my failures as much as my successes. People that chalk things up to God or plea to the sky for help are avoiding their responsibility in some degree.
The difference between you and I is that I’m not pretending that things are God when there’s no evidence to posit that they’re not Zeus. You are pretending to have knowledge and justifying this knowledge by a failed epistemology.

(November 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm)ronedee Wrote: I'm sorry to be presumptuous, but I say there is none that would change you! You see, the evidence is within, as Jesus' words rely. If it aint there I'm sorry to say it won't become that way.
That’s a deepity and indistinguishable from a description of a delusion. The evidence is “within”? That’s something crazy people say…I’m not calling you crazy, but surely you can recognize that such a justification for how one knows what they believe is true is synonymous with delusion or psychopathy.

(November 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm)ronedee Wrote: Jesus says; "What is impossible for man, is possible for God."
Jesus says lots of things that you believe. What you have failed to show is how you can know they are true.

(November 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm)ronedee Wrote: So, yes there is Hope. At least for those who have it.
Again, you’ve strayed away from your original position on faith. Are you now saying that you hope God is real?
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All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 11, 2013 at 11:06 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 11, 2013 at 11:21 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Tonus - November 12, 2013 at 1:42 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Tonus - November 13, 2013 at 9:51 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by ronedee - November 12, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Wolf - November 12, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by ronedee - November 13, 2013 at 12:18 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Lemonvariable72 - November 12, 2013 at 4:10 am
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Anomalocaris - November 12, 2013 at 11:26 am
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 12, 2013 at 7:21 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by 6ft Atheist - November 13, 2013 at 3:08 am
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 13, 2013 at 7:32 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Lemonvariable72 - November 14, 2013 at 6:59 am
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by CapnAwesome - November 14, 2013 at 7:29 am
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by paulpablo - November 15, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by downbeatplumb - November 16, 2013 at 6:32 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by mattpaul42 - November 16, 2013 at 6:58 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 17, 2013 at 5:05 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Zazzy - November 17, 2013 at 10:10 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Jacob(smooth) - November 17, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 17, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Writer - November 17, 2013 at 9:44 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 19, 2013 at 5:00 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Writer - November 19, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Zazzy - November 19, 2013 at 9:43 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Tonus - November 20, 2013 at 10:04 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Minimalist - November 20, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 20, 2013 at 9:27 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Whateverist - November 23, 2013 at 12:44 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - November 24, 2013 at 9:33 am
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Zazzy - November 24, 2013 at 12:16 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Chad32 - November 24, 2013 at 1:21 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Whateverist - November 24, 2013 at 1:30 pm
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RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Whateverist - November 24, 2013 at 1:46 pm
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