All the problems with Christianity

[The Reality Salesman01]

But this really says nothing about how true, or even how likely, Christianity is.

Saying Christianity is false because it makes us feel free and hopeful is like saying atheism must be false because it makes us feel worthless and hopeless, or that you should be a Christian so you don't have to be afraid of Hell (again, Ray Comfort, I'm looking at you.)

Ok, first thing is first...I never said anything was false. Ever. Go ahead and retrace the entire thread.


Now, I asked Rondee questions, and drew rational inferences from them. Just as you had a lot of words about why you believe in God, none of them had any substance to support that your belief existed as a product of anything more that wishful thinking. Neither you, nor Rondee established God beyond a subjective personal experience. You said that your belief in God "doesn't always" make you feel good. No doubt. But it does sometimes, people don't maintain subjective truths because they hate them. That would be quite absurd. As of right now, your claims of God are not substantiated either. What I said to Rondee was a perfectly accurate depiction of his position on God, and it was his lack of objective support which rendered his position to the quote you addressed.

It doesn't matter what I think, it's what you think.

How do you know your beliefs are true?

You either have a personal relationship with the creator of the cosmos, or you do not.

This God you claim to know either exists, or it doesn't. It's not a matter of opinion here.

Can you support this objective claim with anything solid, or do all of your reasons come from your own personal subjective experience of what God feels like to you?

If all you have is personal subjective experience to support your objective claim, the conclusions necessarily follow:

You are saying you know something that you cannot know. You continue saying that you do because it's easier for you to do than to face the uncomforting fact that you've been deluding yourself into a false hope. However uncomforting your faith may be at times, it's far more comforting than admitting to yourself that you have been deluding yourself into thinking you know something that you obviously do not, and the house of cards that has always been your belief in God would begin to crumble to the ground.

Of course, I can't speak for you...

I remember when my house of cards fell. It was a very defeating feeling filled with artificial guilt. Looking back, I wouldn't have it any other way.


At any rate, the questions are yours to answer...