(November 17, 2013 at 6:37 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: This is now between you and me. Throw your Bible out the window, and don't bring it up again. If you do, you have lost my attention. Deal?What you're asking me to do is impossible, regardless of God's existence, Jesus's existence, the Bible's reliability, Christianity's veracity, or anything else.
Let me keep this real simple.
Can you prove that you have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe?
You're not just asking me to prove God's existence, you're asking me to prove that I have a personal relationship with Him. In order to do this, I would have to produce some form of communication with Him, because what is a relationship without communication? But the way God communicates with people is in their hearts and minds, which cannot be detected by other people.
Even if I was to prove this personal relationship I have, I would also have to prove that this person I have a relationship with is God. How can I do that without even mentioning a source that tells who created the universe and who he has a relationship with?
But let me point out something about that challenge you gave me: You did not refute any of my arguments. You said I wanted to believe, you said I was blinded by confirmation bias, you said my arguments were unconvincing, but you did not refute even one of them. So why do you expect me to throw my Bible out the window?
Regardless, I think I'll have to bow out of this one. Sorry.
MindForgedManacle Wrote:To talk about Biblical prophecy as some uniquely special, indisputable and factual thing is to pretend that people are so stupid that they can't look back at apparent prophecies and try to make them fit with any number of events, or that they cannot construct very vague, general claims of the future. Nostradamus anyone? Psychics? Come on now. We already some of the Gospels do this. I forget which one exactly (I think it's Matthew), but one of the Gospels does this to extraordinary lengths that's it's absurd and poorly done.Yes, of course many weak prophecies are held up with crutches like these. But it is a fallacy (hasty generalization, to be specific) to say that all prophecies must be like this just because some are.
Take a look at the prophecies in the middle of Page 12. Many of them said exactly what event would happen, leaving no room for interpretation (e.g. mentioning Cyrus as the conqueror of Babylon).