(November 20, 2013 at 10:40 am)Drich Wrote:Did you, now?(November 19, 2013 at 12:21 pm)pocaracas Wrote: And that information came to you through..... one of those 12 proxies... or their stories.... or later editions of those stories.Because in the bible there is a series of steps one must do to obtain a measure of the Holy Spirit. I completed those steps and received my Measure of the Holy Spirit.
You know?...
Can you distinguish that from some mental state you may have attained?
(November 20, 2013 at 10:40 am)Drich Wrote:Yes, I am a bit clueless as to the actual contents of the story. I know some generalities, which may be more than what you know about "quranic History" which I wager you readily dismiss.Quote:It's amazing what Disney does to classical fairy tales.Are you clueless to biblical History? The witness to said events wrote down or by proxy had the events of their lives written down for them. (not all could read an write.)
Have you ever read the Grimm Brothers' fairy tales and compared them to the Disney version that we all know? Very little matches.. and yet, we all prefer the Disney version... To my generation, the Disney version IS the original story.
All this in one generation.
How many did your stories have before they were written down?
"The witness to the events" who? one of the 12 human proxies? Some other few human proxies?
Allow me not to be amazed by what humans wrote so long ago.
(November 20, 2013 at 10:40 am)Drich Wrote:Quote:Back to fairy tale land... the holy spirit appears to only work on someone who's already been convinced of the existence of the god itself. So, here we go back to the requirement of the original 12 proxies and their stories.Why would The God of all creation chase after you for your belief, especially when He has already done so much?
Isn't your claim that this god wants me to acknowledge its existence?
Isn't your claim that this god wants me to accept that it exists and follow in the teachings of the claimed prophets and son of this god?
If that's the case, then it will only succeed by direct contact.
No faulty, brainwashed, indoctrinated, gullible, delusional human proxies are allowed.
It should be fully aware of that, and still... I get nothing. I get human proxies, like yourself.
Like myself, I'm sure there are many who wait in vain for such a direct contact.
What's the deal? Why do so many wait in vain?
Must I accept the human proxy in order to simply acknowledge the existence of such a god? Does that make sense, to you?