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How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate?
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate?
(November 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
(November 20, 2013 at 10:53 am)pocaracas Wrote: Did you, now?
Can you distinguish that from some mental state you may have attained?
Absolutly. I can show an outside influence on my life, that carries me through all of my life's challenges. Meeting and physically speaking with a 'messenger' of God, and with in a 5 to 10 min talk, we discussed only things I knew an never tol anyone, my present situation, and what my future held. (Of which 85 to 90% has happened) to being carried through what was thought (at the time) to be an incurable disease, Helping my wife through a very serious Herion adiction when everyone washed their hands of us, to starting a business with 25K from someone I had met in passing (didn't speak with) one other time before he offered me the money, to growing that business every year in size to buy into a franchise, to being a partner on a corperate level with that brand, to R&D for that company to writting 2 patents and holding/retaining one US patent and looking at 2 more. to opening manifacturing facility of my patented ideas. To a direct relationship with God, that I can ask anything and know without doubt that I receive an answer to my question, petition or prayer.

All of this is what God did for me. Now understand I am nothing special. The only thing that seperates me from any of you is i did what God asks us to do in scripture, and I was faithful to what I was given, and subsequently was given more.

Now before you feel intimidated enough to try and explain away everything written. Understand that I am perfectly aware of the nature of all of the events in my life, and I am well aware that all of these things were/are grounded in a world bound to the laws of physics and can indeed be explained if one were so inclinded. So how is this evidence? It is evidence because the God of this natural world placed these 'natural' processes in motion, and has seen fit to have all of these things come together In my life metered out at just the right time to produce a favoriable result. That is why I can say these events were providential. These events, all of them happened outside of my control. all of them. I had no say or ablity to control anything that I mentioned here. Nor did I deserve any of these things to happen to me good or bad. At each step i was well in over my head and did not have the money, education, or even the wisdom to see my self through any of these events in my life. I simply did not give up, and prayed that I be given the strength to remain faithful.
Would all of that have happened, had you not believed that a god exists?
Would it have happened, if you believed in some other god? Would you think it was that other god working in your favor instead of the one you think now?

Would it have happened, if you were part of a polytheist religion?

I'd wager "yes" to all questions... and corresponding uselessness of the god assumption.

(November 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:Yes, I am a bit clueless as to the actual contents of the story. I know some generalities,
here is a link to when the books were written:http://www.gty.org/resources/questions/QA176/When-were-the-Bible-books-written
Here is a link to when and how they were compiled: http://www.gotquestions.org/canon-Bible.html
Thanks for the links, I'll look into them! Wink

(November 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:which may be more than what you know about "quranic History" which I wager you readily dismiss.
There are many different versions and many different version of the History, like the book of mormon it has been amended a few times to fit and correct prophesy. Which history would you be refering to?
You were talking about some "biblical history"... I just borrowed the expression. You tell me, which history.

(November 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:"The witness to the events" who? one of the 12 human proxies? Some other few human proxies?
Allow me not to be amazed by what humans wrote so long ago.
So History in general, what do you think? all crap? After all it was the same humanity who wrote of current events as they remembered them happening.
Not making extraordinary claims about the events... no reason to doubt them... and many such events can be corroborated by archeology, like the great fire of Rome...

(November 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:Isn't your claim that this god wants me to acknowledge its existence?
Nuup.
Whether you can admit this to yourself or not He has already programmed you with this 'acknoweledgement.' You had to suppress it to get to where your at now.
What God wants is for you to humble yourself before Him and allow Him to lift you up.
Are you a muslim, now?
They're the ones who think were all born muslims, but are then misled...

(November 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:If that's the case, then it will only succeed by direct contact.
That is what the Holy Spirit does. Literally it is direct contact with God. It starts out small and snow balls quickly.
And yet, i fails on many people... and it leads many people towards the wrong gods... are you sure it's not some mental state of belief in the proxies... leading to belief in the stories?
Like, "I believe my parents for they have no reason to lie to me... they are also right about everything, so they must be right about this god business."

(November 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:No faulty, brainwashed, indoctrinated, gullible, delusional human proxies are allowed.
It should be fully aware of that, and still... I get nothing. I get human proxies, like yourself.
My only job is to relay my own experiences and direct those who want to Experience God for themselves.
And your experiences can all be dismissed as not divine intervention.


(November 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:What's the deal? Why do so many wait in vain?
Because God has told 'us' to do XYZ, and most of use do what we want and wait for God to bridge the gap from what He wants to what we want to do.
God told me nothing... People wrote stories about an entity telling them things. It doesn't make it real.

(November 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote: Imagaine the president of the United States inviting over for a State dinner, and tells you to be at the white house this thrusday at 5 in black tie. what if you showed up on friday at 8 wearing your jam jams and flip flops, what do you think would happen? Would you be welcomed in as a guest of the president? or would you escorted off property?

Why do you think you'd be escorted out? What's the deal? you 'showed up.' You would think the president would understand right?

Of course not. If a man of power tells you to do X to win favor you must do 'X'. How would this differ from the creator of the universe?
If the president called me, I'd think it was a prank call, at first.
Provided enough assurances, I'd eventually take his invitation seriously.

See how it would take the actual president to contact me?... I see no such thing from your god-thing...

(November 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
Quote:Must I accept the human proxy in order to simply acknowledge the existence of such a god? Does that make sense, to you?
No. you must simply Read your bible or ask a 'proxy' what you must do and then do it.
And that I just can't accept.

(November 20, 2013 at 4:01 pm)Drich Wrote:
(November 20, 2013 at 3:38 pm)pocaracas Wrote: The fact that you can't convince anyone else, unless you use indoctrination...

ROFLOL

In 2000 years do you truly think no one has been convinced? How about even here in the last 2 years on this web site. There are/were members here that are no longer here because they 'found' what they were A/S/King for.

Beats me... people who come here already have the concept of god in their minds... how did they come across it? Partial or total indoctrination... Some then lean towards the belief, some towards the disbelief.
In those 2 thousand years... people had been indoctrinated prior to it. If not in the god of the trinity, then in some other god.... with the concept of god changing in people's minds slowly or abruptly by force... indoctrination leads to some belief or another... if that belief becomes shunned, the belief in some other overtakes it, because ignorant people would always require some explanation to keep their minds at ease, to keep them under the influence of some higher power... to... to be sheep.
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Messages In This Thread
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by pocaracas - November 20, 2013 at 4:35 pm
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by Ksa - December 15, 2013 at 11:30 pm
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by Ksa - December 15, 2013 at 11:51 pm
RE: How did the myth of Jesus' resurrection originate? - by Ksa - December 16, 2013 at 10:27 am

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