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All the problems with Christianity
RE: All the problems with Christianity
MindForgedManacle Wrote:You interpret them to be specific and clearly fulfilled, yet that is not the case. Quote which ones you think to be the case in your next response to me, and I'll demonstrate that is the case.
Let's start with the ones on Page 12.
The Reality Salesman Wrote:Yes, but what you've described is indistinguishable from you listening to yourself telling you about yourself.

Your description of it combined with your circular defense of it is what make it seem indistinguishable.
Of course it is. I'm describing something that happens in my own heart and mind and you're asking me to prove it to you. The only way I could prove it to you conclusively is if you could read minds.
But I'm afraid you have a misconception of exactly what this relationship is:
9) Christianity comes from yourself.
One of the greatest reasons that Christianity cannot come from yourself is that it is counterintuitive to myself.
Let me explain:
It is in human nature to be proud and think highly of yourself, and a lot of things go along with that. One of them is not to accept that something is real unless you yourself (not YOU, but people in general) can see it. This is the reason for countless advertisers, debaters, and public speakers having to make their issue seem real and relevant to the audience, no matter how little it has to do with them. Otherwise, they will get no support for their cause.
Another effect of people's pride is not to accept what you don't fully understand. Now I'm not saying you should just believe in God without knowing what exactly it is you believe; then you wouldn't really be believing it. But I too have come across things, both in the Bible and in my life, that I don't understand what their purpose is. But these things do not make God's existence or even His benevolence impossible, if He is real then He would know better than us what needs to happen in the world to bring about a greater good in the future. Even things that appall and disgust any sound-minded person just might have a reason behind them.
So in short, my faith drives me to look beyond myself in ways it is not natural to do.
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All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 11, 2013 at 11:06 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - November 11, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 11, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Esquilax - November 11, 2013 at 11:43 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - November 11, 2013 at 11:52 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bipolar Bob - November 15, 2013 at 7:17 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by FallentoReason - November 11, 2013 at 11:39 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Minimalist - November 11, 2013 at 11:47 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by justin - November 12, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 11, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Owlix - November 11, 2013 at 11:51 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by FallentoReason - November 12, 2013 at 12:00 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 12, 2013 at 12:43 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Esquilax - November 12, 2013 at 1:24 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Cinjin - November 12, 2013 at 1:42 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by FallentoReason - November 12, 2013 at 12:54 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 12, 2013 at 2:03 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Lemonvariable72 - November 12, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Simon Moon - November 12, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Esquilax - November 12, 2013 at 6:47 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Lemonvariable72 - November 12, 2013 at 2:36 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Tonus - November 12, 2013 at 12:01 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by ronedee - November 12, 2013 at 12:34 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Tonus - November 12, 2013 at 1:42 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by ronedee - November 12, 2013 at 5:25 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Tonus - November 13, 2013 at 9:51 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by ronedee - November 12, 2013 at 5:52 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Wolf - November 12, 2013 at 6:57 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by ronedee - November 13, 2013 at 12:18 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Wolf - November 13, 2013 at 12:37 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by ronedee - November 13, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Wolf - November 14, 2013 at 4:11 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by KichigaiNeko - November 12, 2013 at 2:58 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by max-greece - November 12, 2013 at 4:04 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Lemonvariable72 - November 12, 2013 at 4:10 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Ayen - November 12, 2013 at 8:42 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Cinjin - November 12, 2013 at 9:31 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Ben Davis - November 12, 2013 at 9:37 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Zazzy - November 12, 2013 at 9:59 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by mattpaul42 - November 13, 2013 at 7:13 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Lemonvariable72 - November 13, 2013 at 7:47 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Tonus - November 14, 2013 at 9:23 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Anomalocaris - November 12, 2013 at 11:26 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by TheBeardedDude - November 12, 2013 at 11:35 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Mister Agenda - November 12, 2013 at 2:11 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Writer - November 12, 2013 at 2:31 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - November 12, 2013 at 3:55 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Doubting Thomas - November 12, 2013 at 4:31 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Crossless1 - November 12, 2013 at 4:41 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Minimalist - November 12, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Anomalocaris - November 12, 2013 at 4:46 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Cinjin - November 12, 2013 at 5:06 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Wolf - November 12, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 12, 2013 at 7:21 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Minimalist - November 12, 2013 at 7:51 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Writer - November 12, 2013 at 8:14 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Writer - November 12, 2013 at 9:53 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by 6ft Atheist - November 13, 2013 at 3:08 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by max-greece - November 13, 2013 at 3:44 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 13, 2013 at 7:32 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Esquilax - November 13, 2013 at 8:10 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 13, 2013 at 11:13 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 12:03 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 14, 2013 at 12:29 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Zazzy - November 14, 2013 at 12:43 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Chas - November 14, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Mister Agenda - November 14, 2013 at 12:58 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Esquilax - November 14, 2013 at 8:22 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Minimalist - November 13, 2013 at 12:39 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Anomalocaris - November 13, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Minimalist - November 14, 2013 at 12:25 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Lemonvariable72 - November 14, 2013 at 6:15 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Lemonvariable72 - November 14, 2013 at 6:59 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by max-greece - November 14, 2013 at 7:24 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by CapnAwesome - November 14, 2013 at 7:29 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by ronedee - November 14, 2013 at 2:35 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by ronedee - November 15, 2013 at 6:33 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by MindForgedManacle - November 15, 2013 at 6:01 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by MindForgedManacle - November 15, 2013 at 6:59 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by ronedee - November 16, 2013 at 4:36 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Esquilax - November 16, 2013 at 4:55 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Whateverist - November 16, 2013 at 7:02 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Lion IRC - November 15, 2013 at 8:02 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bob Kelso - November 15, 2013 at 8:23 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Esquilax - November 15, 2013 at 9:30 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by paulpablo - November 15, 2013 at 8:13 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by downbeatplumb - November 16, 2013 at 6:32 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by mattpaul42 - November 16, 2013 at 6:58 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by downbeatplumb - November 17, 2013 at 5:26 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Minimalist - November 16, 2013 at 12:28 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 17, 2013 at 5:05 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Zazzy - November 17, 2013 at 10:10 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Jacob(smooth) - November 17, 2013 at 1:13 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 17, 2013 at 6:12 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Writer - November 17, 2013 at 9:44 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 19, 2013 at 5:00 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by MindForgedManacle - November 19, 2013 at 10:42 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by MindForgedManacle - November 18, 2013 at 1:20 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Writer - November 19, 2013 at 5:46 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Zazzy - November 19, 2013 at 9:43 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Tonus - November 20, 2013 at 10:04 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Minimalist - November 20, 2013 at 12:14 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 20, 2013 at 9:27 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by MindForgedManacle - November 20, 2013 at 11:24 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 24, 2013 at 3:25 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by freedomfromforum - November 24, 2013 at 1:15 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by MindForgedManacle - November 25, 2013 at 12:04 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Firstruth - November 22, 2013 at 6:27 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Whateverist - November 22, 2013 at 6:33 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by freedomfromforum - November 22, 2013 at 1:44 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Firstruth - November 23, 2013 at 5:02 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Zen Badger - November 23, 2013 at 5:38 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Wolf - November 23, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by freedomfromforum - November 23, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Firstruth - November 22, 2013 at 6:39 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Ben Davis - November 22, 2013 at 7:59 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Wolf - November 22, 2013 at 8:22 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Firstruth - November 22, 2013 at 1:28 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Writer - November 22, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Whateverist - November 23, 2013 at 1:00 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Lemonvariable72 - November 23, 2013 at 11:13 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Whateverist - November 23, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Lemonvariable72 - November 23, 2013 at 12:56 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Chad32 - November 23, 2013 at 1:22 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - November 24, 2013 at 9:33 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Captain Colostomy - November 24, 2013 at 10:33 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Zazzy - November 24, 2013 at 12:16 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by downbeatplumb - November 24, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Whateverist - November 24, 2013 at 12:38 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Chad32 - November 24, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by downbeatplumb - November 24, 2013 at 1:24 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Whateverist - November 24, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Chad32 - November 24, 2013 at 1:40 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by downbeatplumb - November 24, 2013 at 1:45 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Whateverist - November 24, 2013 at 1:46 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Godlesspanther - November 24, 2013 at 3:59 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Silver - November 24, 2013 at 4:03 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Chad32 - November 24, 2013 at 4:43 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Godlesspanther - November 24, 2013 at 5:02 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Chad32 - November 24, 2013 at 5:12 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - November 26, 2013 at 4:44 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Chad32 - November 26, 2013 at 10:50 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by MindForgedManacle - November 26, 2013 at 12:42 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Chad32 - November 26, 2013 at 5:55 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Writer - November 26, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Avodaiah - December 19, 2013 at 5:36 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Esquilax - December 19, 2013 at 5:43 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Esquilax - December 19, 2013 at 9:17 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Tonus - December 19, 2013 at 10:13 am
RE: All the problems with Christianity - by Bad Writer - December 19, 2013 at 8:31 am

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