RE: The question that makes fundies hostile
November 26, 2013 at 3:20 pm
(This post was last modified: November 26, 2013 at 3:41 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(November 25, 2013 at 10:47 pm)Polaris Wrote: Here is a question for you....would you rather worship Allah or Moloch?
It depends. What's the difference?
(November 25, 2013 at 11:06 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:(November 25, 2013 at 10:47 pm)Polaris Wrote: Here is a question for you....would you rather worship Allah or Moloch?
I'd rather live next door to a muslim than an atheist.
Is it your designated day for non sequiturs?
(November 25, 2013 at 11:13 pm)Polaris Wrote:(November 25, 2013 at 11:06 pm)Lion IRC Wrote: I'd rather live next door to a muslim than an atheist.
It really depends on the person, doesn't it?
It should.
(November 25, 2013 at 11:19 pm)Lion IRC Wrote:(November 25, 2013 at 11:13 pm)Polaris Wrote: It really depends on the person, doesn't it?
All things being equal, yes. Sure.
But atheism and (Abrahamic) monotheism are very very far apart.
How many of the Ten Commandments does an atheist regard as morally righteous?
Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not perjure, and thou shalt not commit adultery. All available evidence points to the averageWestern atheist taking those as seriously as the average Western Christian.
(November 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm)Godschild Wrote:(November 25, 2013 at 4:27 pm)Godlesspanther Wrote: I have noticed that if you ask a fundie whether they would prefer to live in a society in which same-sex marriage is legal or a society that allows slavery -- they get mad.
As I see it, they reason that this question bothers them so much is that it puts them in a bind. They are forced to admit that contemporary secular morality is obviously more advanced and rational than Biblical barbarism, or admit to being psychotic.
You make up a question that purposely backs a Christian in a corner if it has to be answered by your criteria.
It doesn't back Christians in general into a corner. Just fundy ones.
(November 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm)Godschild Wrote: That is an unfair circumstance because no one has control over either situation.
You have control over what you think would be preferable in a hypothetical situation.
(November 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm)Godschild Wrote: We live in a world to day that allows both slavery and homosexual marriage, so your question is altogether faulty.
We live in a world today where both slavery and (in most places) homosexual marriage are illegal. That slavery still occurs is a failure of character and law enforcement, but irrelevant to the question, which is about which circumstance you think would be better.
(November 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm)Godschild Wrote: Then once some does answer the question to your delight, you move the goal post, not once but twice.
Let's see: Lion dodged the question, so you can't be talking about him. Jacob answered that homosexual marriage being legal was preferable to slavery being legal, which wasn't a problem for him since he's not a fundamentalist. Drich answered in the affirmative and was consistent with his stated beliefs, for which he got some grudging respect for his honest in additon to the natural dismay that he would prefer a world where slavery is legal to one where homosexual marriage is legal. I don't see how the goalposts were shifted once, let alone twice. Would you be more specific about that, please?
(November 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm)Godschild Wrote: You in my opinion are a dishonest person who enjoys to see people in situations that make them uncomfortable.
What makes them uncomfortable is their cognitive dissonance between something they think is wrong because of the Bible and something they think is wrong because they are basically decent being in conflict. The question didn't give Jacob or Drich a second's pause. Jacob trusts that if something in the Bible contradicts what he believes is right, the Bible is wrong. Drich trusts that if something in the Bible contradicts what he believes is right, he is wrong. It's only a dilemma if you're unsure of your convictions.
(November 25, 2013 at 11:42 pm)Godschild Wrote: If you do not change you will be the one in a very uncomfortable situation some day.
And that is a threat, the refuge of a scoundrel.