RE: Man's morality
November 27, 2013 at 12:32 pm
(This post was last modified: November 27, 2013 at 12:33 pm by Darkstar.)
(November 27, 2013 at 10:53 am)Drich Wrote:Eh? I thought that was called grace or something. Like some kind of magic metaphorical pixie dust that lets you into heaven if you have enough of it (or do only Catholics think that?). You still wouldn't be adhering to god's standard, though, even if you got a pass to heaven.(November 27, 2013 at 12:41 am)Darkstar Wrote: Trying to create a ruleset that applies to every situation is a fool's errand; there will always be exceptions (as the section I bolded demonstrates).Which is why Christ died to give us attonement. I frees us to obtain righteousnesss without having to maintain a given standard.
Also, you response seems to imply that god made his standard impossible to follow on purpose. And, if I might speculate a bit, not merely impossible because no one would be good enough to follow it, but impossible because it is flawed.
(November 27, 2013 at 10:53 am)Drich Wrote:So? You already said you will always fall short of god's standard too, so why is this relevant?Quote: The fact that morality is adaptable can function as a double edged sword sometimes, but ultimately the ability to make revisions puts it ahead of something that will be wrong forever. Just because it doesn't change doesn't mean it was right in the first place.The fact that you depend on your actions alone to define your moral character will always mean you will fall short outside your soceity, the time frame in which you live/generation, and or even the region in which you live.
(November 27, 2013 at 10:53 am)Drich Wrote: With Morality there are not absolutes it is just a general concensus/feeling of what the 'crowd' your with thinks is right or wrong.And why is this bad? And before someone invokes Godwin's law, the Jews did not agree that their being killed was moral. Of course, a community could agree that people outside their community be mistreated and still be internally consistent, but that's a whole other can of worms.
(November 27, 2013 at 10:53 am)Drich Wrote: If your right and wrong are determined by the mob of people your currently in then you are subject to whatever perversions tickles the fancy of the majority. Whether that be the acceptance of Gay marriage and the shunning of slavery, or rounding people up and putting them in death campsCalled it.
(November 27, 2013 at 10:53 am)Drich Wrote: the driving principle is exactly the same. The only thing that seperates a soceity that accepts gay marriage and one who puts gay people in death camps (along with anyone else they deem unworthy) is a simple majority 'feeling' of it being the 'right' thing to do.Or, you know, human empathy. The golden rule is a pretty good moral yardstick in most cases.
(November 27, 2013 at 10:53 am)Drich Wrote: One man change right in wrong in 1930's germany with a unified sense of entitlement inhearent to that generation and a liberal use of propaganda.. This soceity is ripe with entitlement, all we need now is a leader to role that entitlement in with some well placed propaganda, and 'we' can be the next reich.You did it twice?
(November 27, 2013 at 10:53 am)Drich Wrote: Do you dispute the fact that God's righteousness, and Man's morality are two seperate standards?Well, I would like to, since I don't believe in god and consider 'his' standard to simply be an outdated human one, but I imagine you would disagree.
Then we get to the part where you know god is right because he's omniscient and would never lie (and we know these because he told us, and we know they're true because he wouldn't lie, and we know he wouldn't lie because he told us, and we know he was telling the truth because he wouldn't lie, and...)
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.



