Question about female worth in islam.

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So 2x2= 4 , but you're ready to believe if some mathematicians says it can be 5 . You dont need to use your logic or you just dont want to use your logic , because it works for you when you dont use you logic .

Oh please, your qur'an is nowhere near logic, let's not even bring up mathematics. I've already quoted verses to proof my point but you completely missed it, I'll walk you through it.

You should use Arabic dictionaries , especially the old ones , or you can research in Arabic websites . in Quran , Allah calls satan as kafir. Satan knows Allah but still makes hostility and try to drag people in abuse . So here you can easly understand that "kafir" does not mean "non-believer" or "un-believer" .

Please don't use your qur'an to make laws for a language that is absurd. Your qur'an did not create arabic.

How can I look up a word in arabic dictionary if I don't know arabic? This cannot be the tactic you use to win debates, that's really winning on a technicality, and really not winning at all, just a stalemate. Anyways, found this: http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.ph...g-of-Kafir

This is a muslim forum, and they're arguing about the meaning of kafir, I guess it's not as clear cut as you like it to be. Apparently a lot of scholars agree that it means nonbelievers.

what is meant here is to trust people blindly . The word evliaye is used for only very respectable islamic scholars . I have never heard anywhere else . So this is not a simple friendship , much more . Another point is verse does not say "dont be evliaye with them" , it says "dont make them evliaye for yourself" . So dont accept them as idols for yourself . Clearly Allah doesnt want muslims to being away from islamic values and close to the others .

Clearly nonmuslims treated differently. And yet you insist there is equality. Are you really not seeing this?

You dont have an objective perspective . But thanks you for letting me different perspectives which I have never looked at . Verse says a mumin isnt going to kill a mumin . Why you kill a person ? for example he/she want to kill you or another innocent person and such a person cannot be a "mumin". Can you understand what I mean ? Sorry for my english .

I don't have an objective perspective? As if you do?

I have no idea what a mumin is. Looked it up. Believer, why not just say that next time?

It doesn't say a believer isn't going to, it says a believer SHOULD NOT, and if a believer kills one because the other believer is being hostile, they should pay by releasing a believer slave. (I really don't know why you're making me repeat all this)

this is very different from what the qur'an says about hostile nonbelievers, where it practically says if you don't kill them allah will be mad at you. And you were saying that nonbelievers and believers get equal treatment (ok to be fair you said equity, which probably doesn't mean equality like we modern people understand it).

So this verse shows that that is not true and that when the qur'an refers to equality, this is often the idea they refer to, a different standard for muslims and non muslims, as my next example will again proof.

Didnt understand what is the problem with verse 60:10 . A women want muslims to accept her and muslims accept her .

DIFFERENT TREATMENT for believers and another set of different treatment for nonbelievers. Again, not equality. And yet the qur'an happily calls it justice.

Anyway , all of these issues is a separate topic of discussion and you're jumping in another discuss in each different message . This topic about women in Islam . I was a member in http://www.ummah.com and they had insulted me and banned me . I prefer an atheist forum in rather than discuss it such muslims , they are crazy ignorant and close to the learn . I have many times discussed with extremist muslims face to face in France and they said me "you're not muslim you poor girl , get out of here , kaffir zindiq stupid " , they cant discuss with me .

If you dont want to understand I cant do anything more . Today arabic language laws are based on Quranic arabic . Beucase Quran is written with perfect arabic and it was given to Arabs at Arabic literature's most brilliant period . You cant find the slightest contradiction in it , you just think that you find a contradiction in translations .

Salaam ...