The question that makes fundies hostile

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No I wouldn't.

Alright, let's play. Since you, a practicing christian, refuse to use your own holy book in a debate, then I, an atheist, will. Strange how that works, isn't it?

I dont refuse to use the bible in debates.
I refuse to do so with people who knock over the chess pieces and demonstrate that even when you do cite verses to support your position, they simply say stuff like....
Yeah, you're right: I guess the bible is a contradictory mess, that shouldn't be believed because of that.

"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)"

Yep. They had slaves in those days. No argument from me about that.
What part of my position is that verse supposed to refute?


BTW - did you know that selling yourself into slavery was quite common and necessary in those days. Work or die. And thats what slavery was/is.

Work for nothing more than is needed to keep you alive. Thats pretty much what the greedy Western money worshippers force upon slum dwellers in India and Bangladesh and China.

The biblical context of slavery is "harm minimisation" of an EXISTING practical reality - not an endorsement of it.

To say that the bible supports slavery is like saying that government funded safe injecting rooms for heroin users amounts to...encouraging people to use heroin.

People who don't accept Jesus' offer of salvation get what choose.
And Jesus offers it to everyone. (that's in the bible)
Anyone can be saved if they a) know what salvation is and b) repent and believe. (that's in the bible)

So at most you've got a contradiction.

Where? I dont see it.
Can you be a bit more specific?
For God so loved the world...anyone can be saved...ye are all one in Christ...spread the Gospel to all nations.
These verses dont contradict any earlier position I have stated.

Can you believe some ignorant people here demanded citations from me to prove that these are actually in the bible.

Incidentally, how do you know, given this, that the happy, shiny parts are the ones that are true, and not the bad, nasty ones that I posted?

They are both true.
There WAS institutional slavery in the Old Testament!!!
And war. And murder. And capital punishment.
You seem to think I wish certain "nasty" parts of the bible werent there for all to see. (If you want to keep doing that, you will need to find another strawman to play with OK.)

You've given no support for your claim that I'm wrong...

Your claim was that I would be a victim of the bible's answer to racism. And that is not only false, but it is also an argument from silence because we dont have a time machine to go back and find out.
I may have been a slave or a slave owner or neither and you wouldnt know.

You are also conflating the bible which writes about slavery, with the actual cause of slavery - greed/economics.
And the bible has a LOT to say about greed and the love of money.