Man's morality

[Drich]

Either you have no concept of these logical fallacies or how they work or you are just playing dumb. I suspect the latter.

If you need a refresher:

https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/659/03/

http://www.theskepticsguide.org/resource...Fresources

Yes, it would be good to look up a logical fallacy to get an idea as to how to apply it correctly. None of the logical fallacies that you have accused me of match up to what i was actually saying.

You have access to internet search engines just as much as I do. You are without excuse.

I think you'll find it a fair characterization that he simply doesn't understand them. He's a proof-texter, not an apologist or philosopher. His notion of whether a fallacy is committed is if the words used in the Wikipedia description of the fallacy, and the words used in the person's rhetoric, are similar. He has no concept of logical structure whatsoever.

That is actually a compliment (except for the proof texting bit.) Fore if what you call 'logic' has forced you and others like you to the conclusions you currently have about God, Not allowing you to proceed with an honest investigation about God with an open mind. I truly want nothing to with it.

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Nope. I wouldn't argue that a fetus (specifically one that is not yet viable) is a baby. Get one that can survive outside the womb and we'll talk.

You are missing the larger point, abortion is just the vechical I am using to discuss ever changing morality of man. Again, look at what you have done here. By simply changing the status of a baby to a 'fetus' it makes it ok to kill. Then I showed you where viable/survive outside the womb babies were still being slaughtered simple because they retained the name 'fetus.' Then i showed you where a man killed a 'baby' by attacking the mother and got life. This means the distinction between a fetus and a baby has nothing to do with gestation or how mature the baby is, but the mother desire to keep it. A mother's pre birth desire to keep a child is what classifies a baby a fetus, in this soceity's 'morality.'

If this soceity can be convinced to kill babies by the millions than literally Anything be justified and found to be 'moral' if the right propaganda is applied. Which is what is so extremely dangerous about seperating yourself from the absolute standard of God. You essenially remove your ablity to apply checks and balances in your ablity to discern right and wrong. It happened with the Nazis, in US Slavery, Manifest Destiny, Through movements like the KKK, Hippys, Acts like Abortion, and even Gay marriage, and the undermining of the Traditional Family.

I added the last bit simply to prove a point (not to start another debate) The point being you probably do not have a problem with Gay marriage or gay adoption. Most don't because soceity has said it was ok. But what if soceity starts saying other things are ok that curently not? What if it becomes ok to start segergating the population again? What if the goverments votes and passes a law mandating that a certain group of people be made to up root themselves and be placed on a reservation of sorts? What if there were a catalyst like 9/11? or several events like 9/11, waged against say gay people/families, from supposed christian groups? Would it then be ok (If soceity says it was) to put christians in these camps? Remember the same soceity that has you believe that killing babies is ok if you prelable it a fetus, and that gay marriage is ok, is the same force that is now telling you that in order to perserve your way of life, the rights of those who will not renounce their faith must be seperated from the rest of the people?

If not what would make you put on the brakes here and not any where else? Remember you would be justified in supporting this act because of several 9/11 size attacks on Gay people/families with more to come..

In truth without absolutes, you will fold whether you can admit it or not. Too many soceities have fallen to this morality of the masses, and whether you see it or not you are already aligned with the masses with no real way to oppose the mob mentality on your own. Fore if you will not stand for anything now other than what the mob deems right and wrong you will not change later. That is unless you find God.

In that case, sorry. But said law is irrelevant to my own morality. As for why someone else might have that morality, I cannot offer an adequate explanation.

See above as to why people 'share' morality.

That doesn't validate or invalidate the moral standard, nor was it meant to. It was simply to show that god is a hypocrite.

When 'we' kill babies, what is the reason? we simply do not want them.
When God killed an entire race of people what was the reason? To sculpt our history in such a way as to have the Jews survive and provide us with Jesus Christ and redemption..

Again if you could kill Hitler as a baby would you? Now what if there were several races of Hitlers? if you have the foresight and ablity wouldn't you be obligated to do so? Would you oblige God to save the world if one race of people were to 'end the world' prematurly?

So explain to me how this is hyprocrisy? You said what if an aborted baby was Zombie Zero, God is in a position to Identify those first 'Zombies.' So doesn't it stand to reason that if He wants us to be here He must eliminate those who would keep that from happening?

I understand that you consider the moral standards of our current society to be declining, but I do not.

I'm not sure how old you are, but give it time. 20 years ago TV and Movies were pushing the boundries of gay acceptance. Today I see the same push in sexualizing underage kids, and incest.

To an extent, I think you are right. But, I do not think the standard by which to gauge this is the Bible.

There is literally no other standard in which to live by. That is the point out me showing you that Man's morality is an ever changing scale.

And yet I don't think this so called pure standard is all that great.

Then you do not understand the standard. even put more simply God wants you to do the absolute best you can do, and Christ will cover the rest. If that best includes an abortion, or even a gay relationship, or beating people in a gay relationship at somepoint, if that is the best you can literally do, then it will be enough.
All we are truly tasked with is to be faithful to what we have been given.

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THe problem is that the xtians NEVER actually taught from the bible as a whole.

I am a Christian, and i would like for you to show me where I do not teach from the whole bible.

1 - Most people can read the bible - and clearly see ALL of the mess that is in it.

Not true, 'most people' dont read the bible, they read the same old websites you have read that invent a mess to try and justify what they want to believe.

2 - WE are constantly finding more and more things in the bible are simply not true - not supportable - and/or contradictory.

like? I have made this challenge to everyone who has ever made this claim and not one of you has been able to provide anything, except the same old stuff posted on the websites I just mentioned.

Since people can actually read the bible - it is hard to deny to them what they actually read for themselves -and "spin" won't help most of the problems.

are you one of these extremely rare people or are you a website person?

3 - IT is clear that the bible is NOT the inspiration of an all knowing god - and once you accept that much of it is myth and legend - then it is easy to conclude virtually all of it is.

where is it made clear?

4 - Of course - it is also clear to thinking people that religion does not actually work. Prayer has no statistically significant effect beyond chance. Theists are NOT more moral or ethical that non theists. These are simply FACTS.

and i have shown 98% of the people who 'pray' are not really praying at all. Christ gives a formula to prayer and few if any follow it. Paul later identifies what most of you call 'prayer' as petitioning God. A petition is not prayer. If you do not pray to God why would you think He would answer your petition?