(December 3, 2013 at 2:23 pm)Drich Wrote: Do you have book Chapter and verse for any of these instances you claim?
Depends on if you believe that every word in the bible is inspired by God or not. If you're a cherry picker then it doesn't really matter. Do I seriously need to educate you on the bible or are you just trying to give me busy work because you can't counter my point. I really gets old dealing with Christians that expect us to tell them what's in their bible for them.
Quote:Indeed, why should He follow our rules? Is everyone in our soceity subject to the same rule set? Of course not, do those who govern and up hold the law, bound by those same laws? Do Children have the same rights and responsiablities as adults? Not even in our most idealistic soceity is this the case. So why would God be bound by His law?
So you're saying that nothing is perfect so God should also be allowed to be a hypocrite? He is supposedly a perfect being. He has deemed impregnating a woman before taking her as a wife a sin. So God sinned when he impregnated Mary with Christ. God is a sinner. It's about leading by example. And your God simply doesn't cut the mustard.
Quote:What was the purpose of His law to begin with? It was to seperate the rights and privlege of God from what man was allowed to do in God's creation.
No... it was to instruct man on what God considered wicked and sinful verses what was righteous and godly. It was Gods authority on what was wicked and what was not. For God himself to break his own law is for God to be wicked and sinful. It isn't just a set of rules for children. It was a measure of good and evil.
Quote:ex. If you wanted to, you could take a dump in the middle of your living room floor. now what if you invited me over would I have this same right or privledge? After all a turd on the carpet is a turd on the carpet, so what is the difference who's butt it comes from? Or is it s imply matter of you can do what you want with what you own, while others can not do what they want with what YOU own?
Your analogy is retarded at best. Let me fix it for you to show why you're wrong. It is as if I declared that to take a dump in the floor is evil and sinful. And that it must never be done because to do so is to be sinful and wicked. And then I turn around a do it myself. I have become wicked and sinful by my own standard. God doesn't fail by my standard. He fails by his own.
Quote:Like it or not God created this world and everything in it
No he didn't. This is a statement of what you believe... not what can actually be proven. All observance of nature seems to indicate that what you believe is false. And all investigation into biblical truths indicate the bible is full of lies and misdirection.
Quote:If God wants to take a dump on a people then who can call Him on it? By what right on who's authority? Who has the power to Hold God accountable? No power, no Authority means all you have is wishful thinking, and a meaningless standard to judge him by.
I judge him by HIS standard. And he fails to live up to it.
Quote:again by what standard?
His own.
Quote:Do you have book Chapter and Verse that says God broke His own law? Do you even have BCV that says the law of Moses applies to God?
LMAO... Moses' law? Have you even read the bible? Moses brought the law. But from where did it come? It's God's law. Either that or the bible is not the word of God and therefore is meaningless anyway. You cannot pick and choose when it's God's word and when it is not just to make your life easier.
Quote:Maybe you mean to say you have a law God gave that defines or limits what God can do..(Don't look now, but if you did have that law you would have a paradox on your hands.)
Because if God was bound by this imaginary of yours He would no longer be 'All powerful.' As whomever made the law that binds God would then be more powerful than God.
Can make a rock so big he can't move it? Can God sin? Can God destroy himself?
Quote:Is it murder if a taking of a life is sanctioned? (careful how you answer, and think about it alittle because you could undermine the fabric in which western soceity has been built.)
When it's sanctioned based on bigotry... yes... it's murder. Should we be allowed to murder black people just because we don't like them being so black?
Quote:Town no, A whole Country, yes. Otherwise why are we in afganistand? In short because we were not satasified with how they were 'paying tribute' in the way of dead taliban soldiers/terrorists. so we up armored and moved in, Killing every single Taliban-ie who could not be captured and made to rat out more of their people.
So you equate fighting known enemy combatants with moving like locusts from area to area raping and murdering because we're God's chosen people cause he told us so. You are obviously deep in your own delusion.
Quote:Ah, no. Your just deluded yourself and changed the names of what you do to P/C terms in order to justify your deeds with your current version of 'morality.'
There is no need to justify our current morality. It is agreed upon by our society at large. I'm sorry that it doesn't fit your archaic standard... but you'll just have to get used to being disappointed I guess. We are moving beyond the ramblings of bronze age savages.
Quote:So, if man can do great evil in the presents of an absolute standard then how much more evil is now in the grasp of man with out an absolute standard to center him?
The same amount. Men can justify murdering one another with or without God. You made the point yourself. Is it murder if it's sanctioned? You tell me. Abortion is legal. Is that murder to you? But I assume murdering a homosexual isn't murder since God seems to approve of it. Whether it be politics, God, race, sexuality, geography ect... man finds an excuse to murder one another. Getting rid of religion would get rid of at least one excuse I guess. I can think of no other force that has been responsible for more human deaths than religion.
Quote:Everything we do with out an absolute standard can be justified if the right propaganda/spin is put on a given catalyst.
The same is true of religion.
Quote:That's my point, because History has shown this to be true over and over and over again. And yet once more into the breech we discard God in favor of our 'morality.' However this time we do so with out any way back.
That statement makes no sense.
Quote:To do great evil in the name of God always provides a way home as the standard of God can not be over looked indefinatly, as you seem to agree man will do evil under God's or without Him. when we march into and embrace evil now, because we are under the guiles of 'morality' there is no way to recenter ourselves. Because by the very nature of 'morality' we will simply justify what it is we are doing, no matter how depraved we get.
You just described religion.
Quote:(Killing babies is a good example.)
What if the baby is a homosexual?