Man's morality

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This is only true IF you have an absolute unchanging standard in which to judge by.

No, what is required is an objective standard to judge by - it doesn't have to be absolute or unchanging.

Otherwise right and wrong become subjective to the whims popular culture.

As opposed to subjective whims of your god?

60 years ago it was considered a kindness to hand out unwashed hospital blankets, cigeretts, and 'out of date' food to the homeless. Now these 'kind acts' are almost criminal.

What one generation/culture says is ok, can trivially be abhoared by another.

Its not trivial if the abhorrence has a rational basis.

Here is where you are wrong. I have said over and over what is in the bible has ABSOLUTLY Nothing to do with 'morality.' What is in the bible establishes a fixed point concerning God's righteousness. That makes 'morality' mans standard, which is tied to nothing more than pop culture. Which means man can deem God's law 'immoral' at will, allowing us to bock at anything we don't like. Making it one's 'moral obligation' not to conform to God's law.

Here is where you are wrong. The biblical morality may be irrational, insane and inhuman, but it is a morality nonetheless. Your attempt at redefining your god's morality as something other than morality is pointless.

No. Why? Because in God's economy 'right and wrong' has nothing to do with our acts anymore. Rather our acts hold no value in of themselves. This is what seperates God Righteousness from man's 'moral' soceity.

It is also what makes your god's morality a futile exercise - the purpose of morality is to dictate actions and your god ends up with negating the value of those actions.

A lie, a Murder, giving to the poor, helping or even 'Healing' people means nothing by itself. What asigns value to these acts "Good or bad" (as you understand them) is the condition of one's heart. That is what attonement means. All of your deeds are wiped out and what is left is the condition of your heart. Yes we still follow God's law and yes we still do good deeds, but not as a means to an end, but because when you fill your heart with love for someone it pours out deeds that the one you love finds favoriable.

Your 'morality' is a form of legalism that binds and defins the person by the works he does or does not do. Jesus identified this legalistic behavior in the pharisees, as 'only washing the outside of your cup. While then inside was still dirty.'

Actually, it is the other way around. The purpose of the cup is to drink from and the purpose of morality is to dictate the works. It stands to reason that the inside of the cup should be clean and the works be given the primary importance within morality. Your supposed god's reversal of negating the works is equivalent to keeping the inside of the cup dirty while the outside looks pretty.

You do understand the concept of attonement right? With attonement we do not have to 'fix' anything.

Do you? Atonement is the supposed 'fix'. Whether or not it is the right fix is what is being discussed.

Remember when God works with us, He works with what we have. If Genocide was the only tool that could be used to acomplish ALL of what God was trying to accomplish, then why shouldn't He use it?

And where did this ridiculous rule come from? Especially since within your own mythology, your god has shown no such reservations?

Your answer will be morality based. To which I will ask what authority does man's morality have over God?

According to you, when he is working with us, he has to work with what we have - and what we have are moral systems which judge his activities as immoral. You cannot have it both ways - either he is bound to act within human means and thus comes under the judgment of human morals or he is not bound, in which case he contradicts his own morals.

We kill babies by the friggen Millions every year to prevent a life style change, and yet you have questions concerning the 'morality' about killing one baby that is directly responsiable for the deaths of 60 million people?

That's news to me. We kill babies?

This is why your 'morality' is a meaningless crap standard. You are washing the outside of your cup to maintain 'a woman's right to choose', but at the same time if you were to commit the very same act on a baby who would grow up to be responsiable for 60 deaths, you find yourself in a grey area. From here I could say alot of negitive things about the people who think this way, but I believe my point has been made.

This is why your god's morality is a crap standard. It warps your mind to the extent that you cannot differentiate between the inside and the outside of the cup. The right of a person to choose what happens to his/her body is sacrosanct. Whether that person is a woman with a parasite growing inside her or whether it is a newborn. Which is why violating a baby's right to his own life and body with the justification that it'd do the same to others in future is a moral grey area and removing it from the womb is not.

Because in this life sin abounds, and we are bound to it. If God were to stop all sin He would have to end all of us.

He dodn't have a problem with it before.

If God did not care Jesus would not have died for our sin.

Self-aggrandization is not a sign of caring.

Read what I just wrote to Darkstar. Most of what you bring up here has already been answered there.

Darkstar didn't raise the same points as me. Specifically, he didn't raise the issues regarding the irrationality of your god's morality, the inherent hypocrisy of your position and the existence of objective or rational morality. So no, none of my points have been answered there.

If you are unable to answer them, what makes you think I'll accept your pretense that you have?