Man's morality

[Drich]

But you would expect the parent to follow a moral standard.

Do you understand the purpose of an analogy? Merrium-webster says: a comparison of two things based on their being alike in some way.

Using a parent/Child analogy in this instance compares God's Authority to dictate rules to his children that may not apply to Himself. The content of the rules and how they apply to our social structure is not being examined, because it does not apply unless one first accepts the authority of God.

The theist sees man as a mortal and relatively weak creature who cannot impose his will in the way that god can.

Kinda like a child is a 'weak creature' that can not impose his will as a parent can?

Even the young child may eventually grow strong enough to overcome his parents, even if he is still of an age where they expect him to be subservient.

..and so do we now while we draw breath in this life. we are expected to follow in God's expressed will, yet we have the freedom to be outside of it, and still have the option to seek redemption.

Man has no such option when it comes to god. We are forced to accept whatever god does, regardless of what type of action it is.

what are you talking about? Have you never read the parable of the prodigal son?
I can post a link if you like.

And if that is the case, then god cannot serve as an example for us.

You do know the parent child dynamic I used did not orginate with me correct? Jesus first used this example.

We cannot be "perfect" like he is.

Not by our deeds, which is why Christ died. Because He died and we accept why He died we can take on the 'perfection' of Christ. When I stand before God my sin and short commings are not seen. Chirst's works are seen in place of mine. Therefore I become perfect as He is perfect to the Father.

He is not a "father" in any sense that we understand the word.

Actually the role of 'father' in man mimics the role God the Father has. 'We' are given this role so we may know and understand God. It is when we are not faithful to our Roles as Fathers, or as a soceity redefine the role of the father/family the we do not understand how God the Father is truely a Father.

I think that "lord" or "king" are the proper terms, as it identifies his relationship with us much more accurately than "father."

He is indeed, to some.

He commits acts that we would consider horrifying were they committed by a parent on his child.

Maybe because He clearly states that not all are His Children. Christ makes this distinction in 1/3 of the parables He tells.

Nor can we properly describe our relationship with him as loving in any way.

Take a step back and try and look at this from an objective perspective. God is a Father, who protects and Loves His Children. Not all are His Children. Therefore should He be required to 'protect/love' Those who hate and look to do His children harm? Would you welcome in to your Home to care for and even love some little monster looking to prey on your kids?

"Fear" is more appropriate. A loving parent doesn't do some of the things that god is described as doing in the Bible.

They do to the people looking to kill thier kids.

That he is free to do so because he is powerful enough does not make him a loving father, but it does make him a fearful king.

Those who do not know Him are the only ones who need fear Him. He is the King who shows no mercy to those who hurt his family.

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I guess you haven't bother to read any of the other post concerning this. the vast majority of what you bring up here has been discussed two or three times already.

Drich keeps posting something along the lines of:

We kill babies by the friggen Millions every year to prevent a life style change...

As far as I can see no-one has picked him up on this so I guess I should.

I am assuming he is referring to abortion.

Now if we are referring to abortion then the only way the word Baby could be applied is to late term abortions (over 20 weeks) at which point a baby could be technically viable (I think the current premature record is around 22 weeks). Prior to this the "baby" is more a potential baby or, technically a foetus.

Do Drich's numbers stand up?

No. According to the research about 9000 late term abortions (over 20 weeks) were carried out in 2008 in the US.

(http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml...ss6015a1_w )

Now that is way too many but one does wonder how many of those late term abortions would have been performed earlier were it not for social/religious pressure delaying the decision.

Leaving that aside for a moment if this is Drich's main tool for proving how evil our human morality is lets take a look at the abortions God carries out - conveniently renamed miscarriages to protect the guilty party.

For example here (http://americanpregnancy.org/pregnancyco...riage.html)

It states:

"Spontaneous abortion (SAB), or miscarriage, is the term used for a pregnancy that ends on its own, within the first 20 weeks of gestation. The medical name spontaneous abortion (SAB) gives many women a negative feeling, so throughout this article we will refer to any type of spontaneous abortion or pregnancy loss under 20 weeks as miscarriage."

It then goes on to state:

"American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). Studies reveal that anywhere from 10-25% of all clinically recognized pregnancies will end in miscarriage. "

http://miscarriage.about.com/od/riskfact...istics.htm offers us rather different stats. Higher actually. Apparently upto 70% of all fertilized eggs fail to result in pregnancy.

I think you will find that God's abortions outnumber ours by a massive margin.

As ever God's morality is worse than ours (even assuming he actually exists).

As ever Christians are so blinded by their faith they fail completely to hold him culpable for his crimes. That's the maltheistic magic at work.....

http://www.numberofabortions.com/
http://www.abort73.com/abortion_facts/us...tatistics/
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/07/01/abort...abortions/

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I'm like the clap. I'm the gift that keeps on giving. You're like the clap, too, but in a different way.

In that I will not go away, even though you have told yourself repeatedly that your above such things? get it?

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Why should God come to you when He has declared that all should seek Him?

DERP DERP DERP

Prove that god wants us to seek him, please.

How does one Prove that there is no treasure where a treasure maps says treasure is hidden? One can intelectually discuss whether or not a given map has merrit, but the only way to 'prove' the vality of a map is to follow it's instructions and see for yourself.

The bible is our map. In luke 11 Christ says we are to Ask, SEEK, and Knock for the God the Holy Spirit.

I sought as instructed and I found God.