Two consenting adults, including relatives?

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I understand why you need to try and help out the dude who mangled his SSM argument.

No, you mangled it in your desperate rush to create the most dishonest strawman possible. Do you think that people can't go back a few pages and see what Jacob's actual argument was? Is it that you believe your pathetic distortion is the only thing left on the forums?

The Marriage Equality lobby says homosexuals are entitled to exactly the same marriage as heterosexuals.

Is it exactly the same or not?

...Jacob argued, as I did in brief, that one must take each case as its own debate, and so pretending that gay marriage naturally leads into a requirement to allow bestiality doesn't make any sense.

Relax! Dont be scared. There won't be any requirement for people to be allowed marry their sisters, fathers, pet dog. If you find that yucky you can lead the morality campaign to stop it.

...because as everybody knows, THAT'S NOT REAL MARRIAGE.

...The argument was that these were separate debates to be had in their own time...

What, now you are saying that if people want a certain unique form of marriage they have to wait their turn?

...and that allowing one thing doesn't require allowing another, because the other issue will come with its own set of contentions to debate.

"the issue"? "It's own set of contentions"?


You completely misunderstand the concept of marriage equality.

People accuse me of slippery slope reasoning, but if gay 'marriage' campaigners help eliminate intolerance and bigotry that's supposed to be a good thing - especially for bisexual people who are discriminated against because they can only marry one gender at a time.

How sad for them that bigotry and intolerance means they have to pick only one person/gender.

For a guy who bitches so shrilly about people supposedly strawmanning you, you certainly have no issues doing it to others.

If you dont think two men getting married is 'exactly the same' as one man and one woman getting married then I haven't strawmanned you.

If you think SSM can't be compared to heterosexual marriage then I haven't strawmanned you.

If you think your/his clumsy 'own-goal' about this type of marriage versus that type of marriage (inequality) needs to be reworded, that's your problem. But a strawman argument is not what's going on here.