Two consenting adults, including relatives?

[Esquilax]

The Marriage Equality lobby says homosexuals are entitled to exactly the same marriage as heterosexuals.

Is it exactly the same or not?

And again, your wish to strawman every argument presented against you is noted with interest, but it won't work here. Gay marriage should be the same, in a legal sense, as straight marriage, and I've never once argued differently; my position, my dishonest man, is that gay marriage is not inherently the same as bestiality, because there are differences there.

All this time I've been advocating the idea that one considers these cases on their own merits, and that as a consequence of that one would find gay marriage the same as straight marriage. You're literally arguing against thinking, here.

Relax! Dont be scared. There won't be any requirement for people to be allowed marry their sisters, fathers, pet dog. If you find that yucky you can lead the morality campaign to stop it.

...because as everybody knows, THAT'S NOT REAL MARRIAGE.

Do you even read other people's posts?

What, now you are saying that if people want a certain unique form of marriage they have to wait their turn?

No: I'm saying that those other kinds of marriage would bring their own arguments to the table, because there are differing considerations one would need to take into account there that aren't present in discussions of straight and gay marriage alone.

"the issue"? "It's own set of contentions"?


You completely misunderstand the concept of marriage equality.

And you're mistaking "equality," for "complete, unthinking permissiveness." It's exactly the slippery slope fallacy.

People accuse me of slippery slope reasoning, but if gay 'marriage' campaigners help eliminate intolerance and bigotry that's supposed to be a good thing - especially for bisexual people who are discriminated against because they can only marry one gender at a time.

How sad for them that bigotry and intolerance means they have to pick only one person/gender.

Did you miss my post just above yours where I mentioned my past with polyamory and my support of free polygamy?

If you dont think two men getting married is 'exactly the same' as one man and one woman getting married then I haven't strawmanned you.

I do think gay marriage and straight marriage are the same basic concept. Strawman.

If you think SSM can't be compared to heterosexual marriage then I haven't strawmanned you.

I do think they're comparable. Strawman.

If you think your/his clumsy 'own-goal' about this type of marriage versus that type of marriage (inequality) needs to be reworded, that's your problem. But a strawman argument is not what's going on here.

I think you are, as usual, being profoundly simplistic in your thinking, or just outright dishonest. If you really can't see the additional issues involved with, say, polygamy, or incest, or bestiality, that aren't present in a vanilla straight or gay relationship, then there is something seriously wrong with you.

As it happens, I just think you're being an obtuse dick to avoid admitting that you made a mistake earlier.