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Why do so many People Hate Zionism?
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RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism?
(December 9, 2013 at 2:28 pm)theyear12013 Wrote: I don't get it. So you don't think the term Jews denotes an ethnic, racial or even genetic group? So how are we sure that people who were labeled or call themselves Jewish human beings are related to the people who owned the land 2000 years ago? Perhaps as Shlomo Sand postulated the Palestinians are the likely descendants of the original Hebrews. Without an ethnic or genetic characterization its doubly insane to say yes random cultural Jewish people you should immigrate there because your culture told you its yours from 2000 years ago though you weren't even related to the region since really its just a culture with no ethnic connotation. Finally the Rabbis who control Aliyah certainly don't agree with you on the non-ethnic characterization of the terms Jews.

I guess we agree then. Israel should give up Judaism and Jewishness as important categories in civic life and just call themselves secular atheists -- and allow Arab secular atheists to join them in their safe haven away from the Abrahamics all around them.

indeed, u r not considered a jew anymore but an outcast ...

DIS-JEWED

Furthermore, this is the attitude of many Orthodox rabbis today, including the Satmar Rebbe. Orthodox Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan, writing for the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, for the National Conference of Synagogue Youth (Orthodox), in his book "The Real Messiah," on page 21 writes:

"This brings us back to our original question: What can a Jew lose by embracing Christianity? The answer is everything. Christianity negates the fundamentals of Jewish faith, and one who accepts it ejects the very essence of Judaism. Even if he/she continues to keep all of the rituals, it is the same as if he/she abandoned Judaism competely. The Talmud teaches us, 'Whoever accepts idolatry, denies the entire Torah'. A Jew who accepts Christianity might call himself a 'Jewish-Christian', but he/she is no longer a Jew."

Rabbi Kaplan refers to Maimonides' Mishneh Torah, Avodat Kochavim 2:5 in support of his statement. Here Rambam states "adayin hoo lo yisrael" (he is no longer a Jew).

See also Maimonides, Hilchot Mamrim Perek 3, Halacha 1-3.

It was clearly spelled out by one of the former Chief Rabbis of Israel:

"They are Christians in every way -- the minute they believe in Jesus -- even if they don't officially join another faith."

This is also the official position of the current Chief Rabbis of Israel -- Rabbi I.M. Lau and Rabbi E. Bakshi-Doron. As they stated in an official proclamation of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, 1998:

"There are Christian groups that call themselves 'Messianic Jews' whose faith is totally alien to the Jewish faith, and members of these groups who were born to Jewish parents have a status of apostates who removed themselves from the Jewish Nation."
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Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 4:54 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by TaraJo - December 7, 2013 at 5:08 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 5:10 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by TaraJo - December 7, 2013 at 5:24 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Ryantology - December 7, 2013 at 5:34 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 6:13 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by TaraJo - December 7, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Ryantology - December 7, 2013 at 7:05 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 7:10 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 8:36 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Ryantology - December 7, 2013 at 10:02 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 10:09 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 10, 2013 at 10:33 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by daandaan - December 10, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 10:06 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 10:38 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 10:43 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 10:48 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by houseofcantor - December 15, 2013 at 10:07 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 7, 2013 at 11:07 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Ryantology - December 7, 2013 at 11:09 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Rahul - December 7, 2013 at 11:12 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 8, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Rahul - December 8, 2013 at 11:58 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 11:50 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 8, 2013 at 12:17 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Cinjin - December 8, 2013 at 12:25 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Raven - December 8, 2013 at 3:08 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 8, 2013 at 11:33 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 8, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Rahul - December 9, 2013 at 9:25 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 8, 2013 at 3:45 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 8, 2013 at 4:02 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Ryantology - December 8, 2013 at 4:04 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 8, 2013 at 8:47 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Raven - December 8, 2013 at 4:18 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by max-greece - December 8, 2013 at 4:20 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 8, 2013 at 9:37 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 8, 2013 at 9:54 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 10, 2013 at 10:59 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 10, 2013 at 5:45 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 10, 2013 at 6:28 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Raven - December 8, 2013 at 9:50 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 8, 2013 at 11:03 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 9, 2013 at 12:27 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 9, 2013 at 12:51 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 9, 2013 at 2:28 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by daandaan - December 9, 2013 at 2:36 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 9, 2013 at 12:57 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 9, 2013 at 1:16 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by daandaan - December 9, 2013 at 1:27 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Minimalist - December 9, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Rev. Rye - December 9, 2013 at 11:00 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by daandaan - December 10, 2013 at 8:44 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Rev. Rye - December 10, 2013 at 1:05 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Zazzy - December 10, 2013 at 11:05 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 10, 2013 at 11:56 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Zazzy - December 10, 2013 at 11:57 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 10, 2013 at 11:59 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Zazzy - December 10, 2013 at 12:48 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 10, 2013 at 1:21 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Autumnlicious - December 10, 2013 at 5:48 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 11, 2013 at 8:09 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 11, 2013 at 8:29 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 11, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 11, 2013 at 8:57 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 11, 2013 at 9:17 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 11, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 11, 2013 at 10:50 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 11, 2013 at 10:59 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 11, 2013 at 11:14 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 11, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:01 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:03 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:12 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:16 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:18 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:20 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:24 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:30 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:35 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:38 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 12, 2013 at 12:49 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Jackalope - December 11, 2013 at 8:33 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Lemonvariable72 - December 12, 2013 at 12:41 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 12:43 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 12, 2013 at 11:19 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 12, 2013 at 11:42 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 4:45 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 12, 2013 at 6:42 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 8:25 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 12, 2013 at 8:39 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 9:28 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 12, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 12, 2013 at 10:32 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 12, 2013 at 11:16 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Polaris - December 12, 2013 at 10:28 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 12, 2013 at 11:35 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 12:05 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 13, 2013 at 4:57 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 5:39 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 13, 2013 at 7:11 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 13, 2013 at 7:54 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 8:37 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Polaris - December 13, 2013 at 8:40 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 13, 2013 at 8:41 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Anomalocaris - December 13, 2013 at 8:45 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 13, 2013 at 8:50 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Anomalocaris - December 14, 2013 at 12:53 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 14, 2013 at 1:30 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 14, 2013 at 4:12 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 15, 2013 at 12:58 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 15, 2013 at 2:04 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Polaris - December 14, 2013 at 9:52 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 14, 2013 at 10:28 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Polaris - December 14, 2013 at 10:39 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 14, 2013 at 10:44 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Anomalocaris - December 15, 2013 at 2:33 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 15, 2013 at 1:06 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Zen Badger - December 15, 2013 at 2:50 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 15, 2013 at 2:23 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by kılıç_mehmet - December 15, 2013 at 2:27 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 15, 2013 at 4:13 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 15, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 16, 2013 at 1:21 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Jackalope - December 16, 2013 at 2:14 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 18, 2013 at 5:14 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by là bạn điên - December 18, 2013 at 6:56 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Brakeman - December 18, 2013 at 8:31 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Mr Greene - December 18, 2013 at 7:43 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 18, 2013 at 8:16 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 18, 2013 at 9:34 am
Re: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by NoraBrimstone - December 18, 2013 at 11:20 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 18, 2013 at 12:49 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by Chas - December 18, 2013 at 1:47 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c - December 18, 2013 at 1:56 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by downbeatplumb - December 18, 2013 at 3:17 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 18, 2013 at 10:12 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 18, 2013 at 10:38 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 18, 2013 at 11:11 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 18, 2013 at 11:21 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 19, 2013 at 12:39 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by NoraBrimstone - December 19, 2013 at 4:14 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by max-greece - December 19, 2013 at 4:46 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by NoraBrimstone - December 19, 2013 at 4:53 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 19, 2013 at 10:51 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by EgoRaptor - December 19, 2013 at 5:42 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 19, 2013 at 12:32 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 19, 2013 at 2:44 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by max-greece - December 19, 2013 at 4:55 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by NoraBrimstone - December 19, 2013 at 5:09 am
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c - December 19, 2013 at 11:12 am
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 19, 2013 at 10:59 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by theyear12013 - December 19, 2013 at 11:49 pm
RE: Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c - December 20, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Why do so many People Hate Zionism? - by I and I - December 20, 2013 at 9:18 am
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