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Biblical illiteracy
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RE: Biblical illiteracy
(December 10, 2013 at 5:32 pm)Tonus Wrote:
(December 7, 2013 at 5:54 am)Rayaan Wrote: Speaking of Biblical literacy, I think that Christians are especially hazy on the numerous 'Jesus is God' bits, which is the core and one of the most essential concepts for Christians to understand.

I think that issue is a good example of the difficulty in reaching a consensus on a book that is so open to interpretation. Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus and god (Jehovah) are two distinctly separate beings and that the Holy Spirit is not a person at all, but "god's active force." Which is one of those things that defies a clear definition, IMO. Still, they can provide a fair number of Biblical texts and build an explanation that seems quite convincing. The only problem they run into is any passage which speaks of Jesus and god 'being one' or a similar sentiment, which they simply wave off with "that's not really what he meant" or "that is a misunderstanding or mistranslation or misinterpretation" of scripture.

I often found that people who believed differently could provide a similarly convincing explanation (with corroborating texts) to support the idea that Jesus was god, and they could also dismiss a lot of seeming contrary evidence via the misunderstood, mistranslated, or misinterpreted claim. There simply is no way to determine with absolute certainty that one view or the other is the correct one, though the people who hold to one belief or the other insist that they are absolutely certain.

John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2) He was in the beginning with God. 3) All things were made through Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. 4) In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Here is a positive statement about Christ being the Son of God and , also God. All else about Christ being or not being God must start from here and match what is said here.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Biblical illiteracy - by Silver - December 6, 2013 at 10:03 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Esquilax - December 7, 2013 at 2:16 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 2:19 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 7, 2013 at 5:20 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Rayaan - December 7, 2013 at 5:54 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 7, 2013 at 8:25 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Rayaan - December 8, 2013 at 4:36 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 8, 2013 at 5:00 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Rayaan - December 8, 2013 at 6:24 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 8, 2013 at 6:50 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Tonus - December 10, 2013 at 5:32 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Godschild - December 10, 2013 at 7:50 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by ThomM - December 7, 2013 at 10:09 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Simon Moon - December 7, 2013 at 1:08 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Zazzy - December 7, 2013 at 9:46 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Psykhronic - December 7, 2013 at 9:53 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 7, 2013 at 11:04 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Mister Agenda - December 7, 2013 at 11:25 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 12:08 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 7, 2013 at 1:49 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 7, 2013 at 5:27 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by ThomM - December 8, 2013 at 1:14 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 8, 2013 at 3:27 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by I am God - December 10, 2013 at 3:09 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 10, 2013 at 3:17 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by I am God - December 10, 2013 at 3:32 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 10, 2013 at 4:28 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Simon Moon - December 7, 2013 at 7:35 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 7, 2013 at 7:06 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 8, 2013 at 4:25 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by freedomfromforum - December 7, 2013 at 8:30 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Ryantology - December 8, 2013 at 5:00 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 8, 2013 at 6:18 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Rayaan - December 8, 2013 at 8:30 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 8, 2013 at 9:44 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by freedomfromforum - December 8, 2013 at 12:22 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Bad Writer - December 8, 2013 at 10:06 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 8, 2013 at 3:07 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by ThomM - December 10, 2013 at 12:17 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by max-greece - December 8, 2013 at 3:21 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 10, 2013 at 1:09 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 10, 2013 at 2:16 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Bad Writer - December 10, 2013 at 1:39 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Mister Agenda - December 10, 2013 at 3:35 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by orangebox21 - December 10, 2013 at 3:38 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by ThomM - December 10, 2013 at 6:44 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Tonus - December 11, 2013 at 10:11 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Godschild - December 11, 2013 at 5:33 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Crossless1 - December 11, 2013 at 6:37 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Tonus - December 11, 2013 at 9:46 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Ryantology - December 12, 2013 at 2:36 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 10, 2013 at 5:09 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 10, 2013 at 5:21 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 10, 2013 at 5:37 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Silver - December 10, 2013 at 5:38 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 10, 2013 at 5:44 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 10, 2013 at 6:17 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 10, 2013 at 6:26 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 10, 2013 at 6:43 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 10, 2013 at 7:18 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by ThomM - December 11, 2013 at 6:25 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 10, 2013 at 8:01 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 4:53 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Esquilax - December 11, 2013 at 6:31 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 11, 2013 at 10:01 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by orangebox21 - December 11, 2013 at 1:53 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Esquilax - December 11, 2013 at 3:14 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 11, 2013 at 3:03 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 6:59 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Esquilax - December 11, 2013 at 7:06 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Jacob(smooth) - December 11, 2013 at 7:07 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 11, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Bad Writer - December 11, 2013 at 5:36 pm
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Godschild - December 12, 2013 at 1:49 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Bad Writer - December 12, 2013 at 9:17 am
RE: Biblical illiteracy - by Minimalist - December 11, 2013 at 7:37 pm

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