(December 11, 2013 at 1:13 pm)Drich Wrote: God provides evendicence to all of those who A/S/K as we have been instructed.
No he doesn't. PEOPLE create a delusion they feel comfortable in. I was a devout Christian for the first 2/3rds of my life. It is why I have a wealth of knowledge of the bible. It is also the reason I came out the other side of my biblical studies an Atheist. I A/S/Ked a few too many questions and found it all to be just a lie with little substance.
And please spare me the No True Scotsman garbage.
Quote:I can show you where to look if you wish, but your receiving evidence is based on your ablity and willingness to follow instructions.
Nice dodge. So I'm gonna go ahead and assume you have no evidence other than your preferred delusion.
Quote:You and people like you have been waiting. Me and people Like me have found what God offers.
I had it too... then realized it's just smoke and mirrors force fed to me by my family and peers. It's the same reason most Christian children believe in Santa. Because it's jammed down their throats from birth and everyone around them tells them it's true.
Quote:Then how, oh how is it possiable for you to tell me what it isn't?
That's exactly how I can tell you what it ISN'T... it ISN'T reality. It's fiction.
Quote:You still don't seem to understand the basic division between Man's morality and God's righteousness otherwise you would not have lead with this arguement.
Quote:Then why engage in this discussion if you understand that man's morality is an ever changing standard based on soceity and the times we live in?
To point out that God is an irrelevant aspect to any discussion about morality or righteousness as he/she/it/they are a work of fiction. And like any other work of fiction only reflect the creator's ideas on morality and righteousness.
Quote:Even if it were it is still based on the absolutes defined or provided by said fiction. If we were having a conversation about Thor verses the Hulk both are works of marvel fiction and as such if we were to remain true to the discussion we would have to observe the rules set fourth by the cannon in said fiction.
And would only be a reflection of the writer's ideas on morality or righteousness. That is the limit of its scope and meaning. So if we are to take the bible... it's bronze age fiction and is only relevant to the culture that created it. For us in the year 2013 in America... it's meaningless for any purpose other than to study and bygone and archaic culture.
In fact Thor and the Hulk would be a more meaningful text on morality and righteousness as they are more closely linked with our own culture. The creators of these fictions are products of our culture.
Quote:I have said over and over again that man's morality is not a standard quipt to be used to judge God's morality.
Of course it is. God is a creation of man. His "righteousness" is a direct reflection of the ideas of his creators.
Quote:Because our moral standards are based on the idea that acts themselves have a right and wrong value.
No they don't. Our acts are neutral. Our culture judges whether they are good or bad. If I kill than man that hurt my little girl... most would think me morally just. If I kill the same man for no reason at all... I'm a murderer. The ACT was the same. The reason is moral or not. And God, Thor, or Hulks fictional stance on the issue has nothing to do with reality other than what their creators think about the subject.
Quote:this is not the case with God's righteousness. God's righteousness is based on attonement leaving why you do what you do the deciding factor on what is and is not judged righteous.
God's righteousness is based in fiction and only reflects the views of his creators.
Quote:Our culture defines a child as anyone under the age of 18. If two 13 to17 years olds get married and have sex willingly there is nothing wrong with that despite what your culture says.
And that is all that matters in reality. If we were on Mars... the rules might be different. But we aren't.
Quote:I guess you are just not jewie enough, and just missed out. however that does not mean all jewish boys/men must follow your path.
http://www.wildernesstorah.org/programs/...f-passage/
LOL, we have a different view of the wilderness. I wasn't talking about a jewish summer camp for Mitzvah prep.