RE: "The bible test" Answered.
December 11, 2013 at 7:22 pm
(This post was last modified: December 11, 2013 at 7:35 pm by ThomM.)
(December 11, 2013 at 6:41 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:(December 11, 2013 at 6:34 pm)ThomM Wrote: Actually Jesus did claim divinity in john 10 when He said I and my Father are one.
Actually - that is not true - in the least - and is a direct problem of a translated text - failing to account for idioms of the original language.
In the terms of the languages of the supposed time of the christ - and many also today - when Caesar said that he was ONE with the Roman senate - it meant that he agreed with them. It is a common idiom for agreement - used in many languages to this day. Certainly Caesar did not mean that he and the roman senate were the same person!!!!! You can find the use of this idiom in lots of texts from all over the earth.
You rarely find your claim in countries that still use the idiom - and YOU can verify the Idiom in the many on line idiom dictionaries.
In fact - the mythology of the christ always refers to the father as another - and the father refers to the son as another as well. And the claim that they were the same person begs the question - why did the christ - on the cross - refer to his father - "Why have YOU forsaken me? - when if they were the same person - he should have said - why have I forsaken myself!!!!
Im supposing Greece still uses it as they are eastern orthodox?
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It is even used in Germany - as well as many eastern European countries - as well as those north african countries where it is still used.
(December 11, 2013 at 6:45 pm)Ksa Wrote: ^ That is a good example with the crucifixion haha! I also told him about the language but he wouldn't listen.
Again - this is an example of how theists often "spin" text to claim it means something other than what is actually stated. However - it this case - this is basically an English speakers error - you do not find this elsewhere in the non-english speaking xtian world - where they use the idiom themselves.
Xtianity has always been a "cafeteria" religion - with tens of thousands of sects believing and spinning things differently. I myself have always wondered about the Myth of Abraham and Isaac - since the bible claims that the god does not tempt anyone to do evil.
Since Isaac did nothing to deserve to be killed - asking for his life was actually asking Abraham to murder his son - and therefore was the words of the devil - not a god.
And Abraham - in any case - should have refused do commit murder - and would have been right to do so.
However - as I pointed out - the Bible Test did not say it reflected the entire bible - it simply asked what was actually in it - just 50 things. And in actuality - the answers are horrific . IT makes no sense to me to follow a god that at one time tells you to stone to death your disobedient son - regardless of what the overall message of the bible is supposed to be - especially since even xtians do not agree on that as well.
