RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility?
December 16, 2013 at 6:15 am
(This post was last modified: December 16, 2013 at 6:27 am by Fidel_Castronaut.)
I think it was hitchens (although he most likely took an idea long proposed) that said the only way extremists can fester their ideologies is through the silence of the majority who disagree or are indifferent.
"All that is necessary for evil..." And all that.
The fact that any attack or murder (or even a prominence of FGM in some African Islamic communities in Europe/UK) perpetrated by Islamists is generally met by a wall of silence from anyone who could be regarded as an authority for various Islamic communities and sects speaks volumes IMHO. It is this behaviour of ignoring/silently agreeing that is the true enabler of such crimes, and the reason why they'll continue in the future.
Of course it's not exclusively true that this is the case, and there have been condemnations by both authorities and the laity in the past, but I struggle to think of a great example.
I regularly engage in debate with a Muslim friend of mine over FB who I went to school with. Nice lad, very intelligent, overall just a normal guy. But as soon as we start talking about Islam he descends into the realms of justifying the indefensible, such as the right not to offend religion [islam]. He honestly thought that his religious beliefs deserved to be respected, and even went so far as to condemn all those that sought to criticize his religion as just short of evil and no worse than than terrorists themselves.
It's an odd mental compartmentalization he has in this regard which I have no doubt is due to the indoctrination he went through as a child and the reinforcement of these beliefs through whichever Islamic sect community he belongs to.
The deportation idea however I think is rather silly. We can't ignore the fact that (in the UK) most non 1st generation migrant descendants are in fact British, were born here and have the right to remain here.
The right solution is engagement and knocking down barriers to dialogue and And discourse. It's a slow process and often produces no results. But it took Europe nearly 500 years to create a secular realm that omitted the Christian church(es) from sovereignty and the decision making process, which in turn moderated the majority of church congregations and has eventually led to disenchantment with the church altogether (record lows in attendance and active beliefs in the UK for mainstream Christian sects). Things take time, and this is no different.
"All that is necessary for evil..." And all that.
The fact that any attack or murder (or even a prominence of FGM in some African Islamic communities in Europe/UK) perpetrated by Islamists is generally met by a wall of silence from anyone who could be regarded as an authority for various Islamic communities and sects speaks volumes IMHO. It is this behaviour of ignoring/silently agreeing that is the true enabler of such crimes, and the reason why they'll continue in the future.
Of course it's not exclusively true that this is the case, and there have been condemnations by both authorities and the laity in the past, but I struggle to think of a great example.
I regularly engage in debate with a Muslim friend of mine over FB who I went to school with. Nice lad, very intelligent, overall just a normal guy. But as soon as we start talking about Islam he descends into the realms of justifying the indefensible, such as the right not to offend religion [islam]. He honestly thought that his religious beliefs deserved to be respected, and even went so far as to condemn all those that sought to criticize his religion as just short of evil and no worse than than terrorists themselves.
It's an odd mental compartmentalization he has in this regard which I have no doubt is due to the indoctrination he went through as a child and the reinforcement of these beliefs through whichever Islamic sect community he belongs to.
The deportation idea however I think is rather silly. We can't ignore the fact that (in the UK) most non 1st generation migrant descendants are in fact British, were born here and have the right to remain here.
The right solution is engagement and knocking down barriers to dialogue and And discourse. It's a slow process and often produces no results. But it took Europe nearly 500 years to create a secular realm that omitted the Christian church(es) from sovereignty and the decision making process, which in turn moderated the majority of church congregations and has eventually led to disenchantment with the church altogether (record lows in attendance and active beliefs in the UK for mainstream Christian sects). Things take time, and this is no different.
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