Do all Muslims bear responsibility?

[JohnCrichton72]

Boru

Ermm, yeah OK. How much of this frivolous nonsense should I actually respond to?

The first point I guess, as I doubt you are the type of person to concede even the slightest to any other opinion. Lets see;

"Christian loony's shooting up abortion providers"
and, ok I don't even have to respond having read the rest of your first point.
"atheist, feel that you bear the responsibility for Stalin's crimes?"

Holy disco biscuits............ have fun being you.

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I'm going to take a position I very very rarely take with Islam and muslims.

Violence in Islam is less common in secular countries where the governing system isn't Islamic. People may respond in a poll saying they defend violence, but they're hardly likely to do it themselves. The same goes for shariah law, many muslims if asked will say yes shariah is superior. But if they truly believed so they would not be in secular countries, many of them have left Islamic countries to come to secular countries. Although this may not apply to the first generation immigrants, it does to a certain extent, applies to those who grew up in secular countries. I'm talking about those who live in secular countries. In muslim countries they do seem to like shariah (but who really knows).

That said, yes, Islam is horrible to women and actually they're horrible to men and women, women just get it worse. And any muslims who will not condemn those practices when asked should bear responsibility.

As for terrorists activity and paedophilia rings, their culture may precipitate these things, but I don't actually consider them "Islamic", as in normal muslims will not be taught to blow shit up or kidnap children at the mosque. Their culture (which is islamic) does make these things more likely to occur because it lacks respect for human lives, women and, in general, human dignity. Also it's not condemned as harshly as it is outside of islamic cultures I think. For things like honour killings (I saw a doc on this), other muslims who did not kill the girls believed that the girls deserved it. This is a very different culture and it would be reaching to suggest it doesn't affect how muslims act.

I somewhat understand, but when you consider that the Islamic community represents extremely small minorities in most Western countries and are already targeting non-combatants as they would of their rival Muslim sects in Islamic countries.

That is to say a segregation has occurred between them and everyone and a culture put in place that would facilitate the breeding of such acts, there is no telling how the growing of said community will become a factor in the amount of radicalisation per child. I am actually just done reading something that I think you might be interested in, if this topic interests you. http://blog.theproudatheist.com/is-islam...h-mousavi/

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I totally agree, but how do we engage. You have tried discourse with a good friend of Islamic conviction, as have I, neither of which bore fruit. What it did show was a complete lack willingness and displacement of the social responsibility, on both attempts (mine and yours).

That is not to say we give up and leave the Islamic community pitted against itself in the middle east until there is but one crazy Mohammedan left we can quarantine, but nor is it acceptable to me to put the women and children of (Insert Western country here) on the front line of a dialogue that will get them killed. Which is what has been done.

Also note the tempered nature of Christianity and Judaism came from "in house" criticism and want of change with natural societal growth (marked with great atrocities), any attempt at outside influence on the development of the Islamic culture further instils an us and them mentality, deepens segregation and provide a breeding ground for all the above.