Do all Muslims bear responsibility?

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I'm going to take a position I very very rarely take with Islam and muslims.

Violence in Islam is less common in secular countries where the governing system isn't Islamic. People may respond in a poll saying they defend violence, but they're hardly likely to do it themselves. The same goes for shariah law, many muslims if asked will say yes shariah is superior. But if they truly believed so they would not be in secular countries, many of them have left Islamic countries to come to secular countries. Although this may not apply to the first generation immigrants, it does to a certain extent, applies to those who grew up in secular countries. I'm talking about those who live in secular countries. In muslim countries they do seem to like shariah (but who really knows).

That said, yes, Islam is horrible to women and actually they're horrible to men and women, women just get it worse. And any muslims who will not condemn those practices when asked should bear responsibility.

As for terrorists activity and paedophilia rings, their culture may precipitate these things, but I don't actually consider them "Islamic", as in normal muslims will not be taught to blow shit up or kidnap children at the mosque. Their culture (which is islamic) does make these things more likely to occur because it lacks respect for human lives, women and, in general, human dignity. Also it's not condemned as harshly as it is outside of islamic cultures I think. For things like honour killings (I saw a doc on this), other muslims who did not kill the girls believed that the girls deserved it. This is a very different culture and it would be reaching to suggest it doesn't affect how muslims act.

I somewhat understand, but when you consider that the Islamic community represents extremely small minorities in most Western countries and are already targeting non-combatants as they would of their rival Muslim sects in Islamic countries.

That is to say a segregation has occurred between them and everyone and a culture put in place that would facilitate the breeding of such acts, there is no telling how the growing of said community will become a factor in the amount of radicalisation per child. I am actually just done reading something that I think you might be interested in, if this topic interests you. http://blog.theproudatheist.com/is-islam...h-mousavi/

Somewhat understand? Maybe I wasn't very clear, XD (Been up forever studying). What I mean is I do recognize the divide between what is Islamic and what is generally the product of an islamic culture. The way they treat women, mostly, is islamic teachings and if muslims are unwilling to condemn, yes of course they have to be held responsible, just like if you voted for antiabortion laws you have to be responsible for that. That's just what society expects of every adult: be responsible for what you stand for. However, the byproduct of islamic culture, can't fault many muslims for that, it's just that these actions are more prevalent in these cultures, but it's not directly islamic and therefore we don't know what positions muslims take. And extremism takes a certain type of environment to breed, usually with a lot of desperation and seclusion, something I find hard to attribute to muslims in general.

Yes there is a segregation by many muslim communities, but I'm of the opinion that they'll dilute sufficiently after one or two generations. I'm more optimistic about this, I must admit. But muslim countries ... god knows what's going to happen. The thing is a theocracy isn't something someone like you and me, who've lived in secular countries, can accept. The problem becomes real when those who have never lived in theocracies think that they could (fundamentalists born and raised in secular countries), because as you probably know, you only realize what freedoms you enjoy when you lose it.

Thanks for the link, I'll get around to it.