Man's morality

[I am God]

I've also been a Christian 2/3's of my life and have spent the last 6 to 8 years studying the bible and answering questions 4 to 8 hours just about everyday, and I still haven't accumulated a 'wealth of knoweledge' yet.. Maybe that is why I am still in the faith and you are not. Because at no point have I ever believed that I have it all figured out..

Keep studying and maybe you'll get there. I spent about 15 years and some at the university level studying the bible. I've studied the original Hebrew and Greek. I know the book's origins, I know where these myths came from and I know the history of how they were generated. You cannot just study the bible and then think you understand it. You have to understand the history of the cultures that surrounded it and how it came to exist. You have to understand the cultures that pre-date it and how they effected it's creation. It's a much bigger puzzle than just the book.

I have A/S/Ked every question I had, and got an answer. These answers made me re-examine my understanding of God and religion, and I had to change what i initially thought about God and religion, After i did there was nothing i could ask that God did not provide an answer for. So i sought your questions to A/S/K. To date there hasn't been a biblically based question i haven't been able to get an answer to. now that does not mean you all like my answers or except them, but nothing has gone unanswered as of yet.

Without using the BS response of "Mysterious Ways" or "Bigger plan that we don't always understand." What answer did you get for why God allows children to suffer and die when he himself has the power to help them? Take a look at this picture of this vulture waiting for his meal to stop moving so he may feast... where is your God at in this picture...

There are factual biblically based conditions on Christianity therefore no true scotsman does not apply.

LOL.. please share them with me. This should be funny.

Probably not. You had sincerity and support from people with the same feelings.

As i just said.

The Proof God offers has nothing to do with your peers or parents. If your total experience hinges on what your peers and family said/did then you never A/S/K as outlined in luke 11. Therefore you never 'had it.'

I see... I guess I'm not a True Scotsman after all huh? Such a pitiful response. I had hoped for more.

Because you did do what God asked of you and found nothing?
I'm sure for you this all somehow makes sense. I do not share your belief.

Don't be childish. I have no belief. If you question the bible, God, and Christianity and judaism completely... you will find the lack of substance in them. But you do have to disconnect your fear of Hell, fear of death, and fear of losing your security blanket first. Otherwise you will always revert back to Faith by Fear. You won't see it as that... you'll claim it brings you peace, and you feel the warmth and love of Christ enveloping you. What you feel is the false sense of security your delusion lends you. And that's ok... you can have that if you want it. Just don't get any of it on the rest of us... and stay out of our way as we progress the species. Mankind doesn't need and in fact is better off without such nonsensical garbage.

Your right as a form of morality God's righteousness is not applicable to mordern values, which is why i have made an attempt to seperate the two.

But you can't. They flow from the same source... Man.

Because the modern understanding is based on works/deeds. and what God has established is not.

Depends on if you worship Paul or James. " For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also"

You've seem to miss the point. Hulk and thor was use to establish a context, you speaking to content of hulk and thor.

I have no idea what you're saying here.

Actually it doesn't. Man's morlity as I have said 6 dozen times already is based on works deeds and God's is not. There are two completely different ways of determining value here, you keep trying to combine them into one.

Because they come from the same source... Man. Man creates God and sets him on the unreachable pedestal. And he is perfectly righteous and his ways are not our ways blah blah blah. But then we watch God... and the instructions he gives man. And he doesn't act in any way that we'd consider moral. And so an excuse must be made for that. Who are we to judge God? His ways are not our ways. Go back to Job... he allowed the man to be tortured... he showed such cruel indifference to Job. And the second Job dare question him... his response is basically... "I'm God, I made the earth and heavens... how dare your question me." So this is the central hub of God's righteousness... cause God says so and he's God. And the simple believer has to just accept that he's superior and so it must be right. But it's the key that he's fiction. Because even though he's supposed to be morally perfect and righteous... his actions are very human and flawed.

again God does not look at works to judge good or bad
Man does.

Depends on if you worship Paul or James I guess. And spare me the Spiritual Currency argument. It's apologetic nonsense.

If God is a creation of man then why did we give God a value system that is completely forgein to us? You still don't seem to get it even given your mastery of the bible.

That's what makes him God. Why does superman fly, have unlimited strength, and can shoot laser beams from his eyes? That's what makes him a super man. Your God couldn't be the majestic character he is if he was just like us. He has to be all powerful, all knowing, and perfectly righteous. Otherwise he wouldn't be God. It's circular reasoning. Why is this invented perfect being so perfect? Cause he's a a perfect being and that's how he rolls. Why would anyone NOT fancy their invented God perfectly and so inhumanly righteous? Yet when you look at the laws he inspired or even dictated straight to man... He's far from anything approaching what we'd call moral. Yet he must remain perfectly righteous because he's God and he can do that. The mental gymnastics you guys jump through to stay in your delusion are impressive. But I understand it comes from a place of accepting without reason or question.

Show me a culture that shows an indifference to murder (not killing but murder.)

That's the key isn't it? What you define as murder. What about abortion? If you deem that murder then OUR culture is indifferent to murder. What about soldiers? Is the killing they do murder? I mean are we fighting an invading force in the middle east or just killing people we've labeled as bad guys and therefore they must die? Everyone has an opinion. And different people will justify it in different ways. I've heard stories of soldiers killing non-combatants just because they were "Bad" people. My best bro is a Sgt in the Army. Did two go arounds in Iraq. He saw an Iraqi man executed by joes because he burned his wife to death in the street. He apparently beat her up, covered her in gas, and lit her on fire and they showed up just as she was dying. He wasn't a terrorist, he didn't have a gun... but they killed him anyway. Was that murder? Was it Justice? Are we indifferent to it because he himself was a murderer? WAS he a murderer if his magic book gave him the right by his God to do that to his wife? A book that more than likely says she's property to be disposed of.

Then you mean to say that everytime a killer is identified as a murderer then He is always deemed morally wrong and owes a debt to soceity?

I would say that if a society and their agreed upon laws deem someone a murdered then that individual will pay whatever debt that society demands. Often times you'll find the family of the accused and the family of the dead on different sides of that table. One feeling justice must be served and the other feeling it already has. People have a tendency to be the hero in their own story.

Unless you are to be judged by Him, on the bases of His standard.

And I won't be. I am judged by my cultures agreed upon view of morality. And even then, so long as I don't break any laws and do no harm to others... what's it matter? You're sorta leaning into the same old lame ass Christian nonsense of submit or burn. That's a pretty weak stance to fall back on.

But let's look at that. If I take a 13 year old girl, murder her mother and father, shave her head and give her a month to grieve... then by your bible's standards (That God either inspired or commanded himself)... I can then take her as my wife and rape her. Or if I just happen upon a 13 year old girl in town and decide to rape her... all I have to do is give her dad 30 pieces of silver and marry her and all is well. But you see in our culture those are crimes. And rightfully so... so it would appear our morality is superior. Because nowhere in that given exchange are the girl's rights even considered at all. You cannot point to a text that treats women and minorities like cattle and claim it has anything to do with righteousness or morality. You've lost before you've even begun.

Can you support your claim?

To what end? My evidence for the lack of a Santa Claus is the complete and total lack of proof that he is real. There are stories, songs, paintings, and propaganda... and yet no Santa. You know it... and I know it. Same is true for God. There are stories, songs, paintings, and propaganda... but when you get right down to it... NOTHING of the divine has EVER been substantiated. He's every bit as a real as Santa, The Easter Bunny, Talking Dragons, Flying Unicorns, Magical Elves, and Fairy Princesses. All things dreamt up by man's imagination. The very lack of evidence is the only evidence in something's non-existence.