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Do all Muslims bear responsibility?
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RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility?
(December 16, 2013 at 3:34 pm)paulpablo Wrote:
(December 16, 2013 at 5:38 am)JohnCrichton72 Wrote: When some one third of their believers have misinterpreted the religion to advocate violence and are going to "HELL", whilst other believe that murdering women and children along with themselves will get them eternal life it should be banned.

What makes you think the ones who interpret the quran as advocating violence are wrong?

I entertained both possibilities in the initial post to paraphrase; it is either a provocation for violence or is far to easily misinterpreted to do so, giving anyone with a grudge an extensive pool of potential suicide bombers from this demographic. In either case it has to change and Muslims themselves have to change it.

(December 16, 2013 at 3:33 pm)Chuck Wrote:
(December 16, 2013 at 5:38 am)JohnCrichton72 Wrote: I have a belief that makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable, that all Muslims bear a responsibility for those that would (insert crime with Islam given as provocation here). I was hoping to have it shot down if I am to be honest, as it has somewhat festered into a dislike of any that call themselves Muslim and a wish for Islam "alone" to be banned from the UK.

I am all for freedom of religion, but I also believe it comes a burden of social responsibility;

I'll even put a plug in, what sickens me the most, the making women into chattel/marrying of little girls to dirty old men/polygamy/FGM/supremacist attitude that coupled with these has turned Sweden into the rape capital of Europe/paedophile rings.
One thing at a time and all.

It appears, and this is where I believe the flaw in my understanding might lay, that there are one of two options available. Islam is a provocation for violence for Muslims, or, is far too easily misinterpreted as such. To give it some context;

If memory serves, a PEW survey from 2012 gathered data on some 38,000+ Muslims and 28% thought violence in the defence of Islam is justifiable.

Which ever, if either, are right. The solution seems the same;

Muslims should change their religious doctrine (or be forcefully deported to the Islamic country of their choice), Islam as it stands is a catalyst for violence and a danger to everyone including Muslims. When some one third of their believers have misinterpreted the religion to advocate violence and are going to "HELL", whilst other believe that murdering women and children along with themselves will get them eternal life it should be banned.


If you believe in thought crime, then yes. Otherwise no.

If you do believe in thought crime, then open up your thoughts so I can rummage through them to find reasons to hold you responsible what you've not actually done.

I understand what you mean, religion to us is just an idea. Mankind's first attempt at explaining what they seen happening around them. I believe in freedom of religion and, like you I hope, believe this freedom comes with social responsibilities.

When the religion starts to infringe on the rights of others by advocating violence or easily being misinterpreted so, that, anyone with the want to cause death and destruction has a pool of potential suicide bombers those propagating it have failed in adhering to the social responsibilities.

They null and void their own right to religious freedom, I know every other religion also infringes (or tries to) on the rights of others; by saying teach religion in biology class and the like

However, until Christians start burning people at the stake again we should make criticizing Islam our highest priority.
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Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 5:38 am
RE: Do all Muslims bare responsibility? - by max-greece - December 16, 2013 at 5:43 am
RE: Do all Muslims bare responsibility? - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 5:47 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by max-greece - December 16, 2013 at 5:54 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 6:18 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Duck - December 16, 2013 at 6:00 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 6:29 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 9:04 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 16, 2013 at 10:24 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 10:37 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 16, 2013 at 8:04 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Duck - December 16, 2013 at 7:41 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 7:45 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Duck - December 16, 2013 at 10:43 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Fidel_Castronaut - December 16, 2013 at 6:15 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Dragonetti - December 16, 2013 at 7:46 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 7:57 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Dragonetti - December 16, 2013 at 8:35 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by EgoRaptor - December 16, 2013 at 11:37 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by JohnCrichton72 - December 16, 2013 at 11:39 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by downbeatplumb - December 16, 2013 at 2:58 pm
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Mister Agenda - December 16, 2013 at 3:30 pm
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Nineteen - December 16, 2013 at 3:36 pm
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Anomalocaris - December 16, 2013 at 3:33 pm
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Duck - December 16, 2013 at 3:48 pm
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by paulpablo - December 16, 2013 at 3:34 pm
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by JohnCrichton72 - December 18, 2013 at 12:53 am
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by paulpablo - December 20, 2013 at 3:41 pm
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Mister Agenda - December 16, 2013 at 3:39 pm
RE: Do all Muslims bear responsibility? - by Mr Greene - December 18, 2013 at 7:27 am

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