Gay marriage

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You do understand, that marriage is, infact, a sociopolitical invention (and independent religion), yes? Oh good. I'm glad that we agree.

That commonfolk are being wed, on a religiohistorical basis, is hilarious

Do I understand that marriage is independent religion......

Yes, you do.

I assume you mean that marriage is/can be exist independently from religion and is a socio-political invention, I think you are contradicting yourself.

Both are socio-political inventions. Neither owe to the other as for why they are created.

I think you may not understand. No worries: that's why I am here

It is instinctual for some animals to form a union and choose one mate for life devoid of any higher level communication capability. Swans, turtle doves, wolves ect.

Did I say it was a complex socio-political system? Every one of those creatures communicates. It just so happens that, for their species, their offspring tends to survive more, and their offspring are reasonably likely to emulate the methods of their parents. Finally, when you have two people in the room: you have society, and with some rudimentary understanding of cause and effect: you have politics.

Mind, wolves have a different mating structure entirely (from the birds). Unless of course you're talking about temporary, politically-based unions between alphas (wolves)... in which case you're not a retard, and we can actually have a meaningful conversation

I do not deny that political governance (or even primitive social hierarchy) and culture recognises and influences the union and that the instinctive process has been altered by the socio-political context and called marriage.

Strongly. Bonobos, for instance, raise their children largely with 'community'. The goals of 'marriage' are survival and success, and these do not too challenging to communicate. It can be between two, 3, 4, or seventytrillion.

The main socio-political influence was religion, so marriage couldn't be a socio-political-religious invention and exist independently from religion.

Government, actually. Religion is smoke, where power is fire. Marriage is a socio-political (but not religious) invention, that has been *used* by religion (another socio-political device) to serve the purposes of various religions.

Often by governments, 'oddly' The things we do in the name of efficiency ^_^

I am honestly still on the fence, not that it's like I have a say in the matter anyway.

There's a matter to have a say? Wasn't interested. Hope it's interesting