"The bible test" Answered.

[Drich]

[quote='Drich' pid='566319' dateline='1387465366']
Did you read my explaination for the reason we are to knock?

If your goal is to complete a 1000 peice puzzle and you work on it for 3 days, but do not finish, is the puzzle picture complete? "Do you see a problem with that?" Of course not, why? because you did not finish the puzzle no matter how many days you worked on it. what will it take to finish the picture? is there a certain amount of time all should be complete? no, it takes what it takes. some may get the picture sooner than others, but in the end if you quit before the puzzle is complete then your picture will be incomplete no matter how much time you worked on it.

Like wise how many day can one put on building a bridge between themselves and God? If you do not finish this bridge will you be able to cross it? no. When can one cross a bridge? When the gap is completely span. How long will this take? How big is the gap between you and God? The larger the gap the longer this process will take. So who can say he has spent enough time on their 'bridge' if the bridge is not complete?

That's what I said: the whole framing is conducive to never, ever failing. It's a dishonest tactic:

That is not what I said. Because I know the medthod in which God answers A/S/K, is not by giving us what we expect. Why? Because we ALL have a bad understanding of God, and if God were to give us what we are looking for in the way we are looking for it, it would only reinforce our misunderstanding of God. God does not want us to have this dark ages understanding of Him.

A/S/K has the ask'er first let go of what he understands and over time and experience through good times and bad coupled with an earnest seeking of God helps the 'asker' build an accurate picture of God, in doing so somewhere in this process the 'asker' becomes aware of the Holy Spirit.

if a person follows your lead and never gets there, their choices are either to stop, whereupon you have the excuse that they hadn't continued and therefore they were doing it wrong, or they keep doing it until they die, whereupon they're hardly likely to complain and damage your credibility, are they?

"there" is not a light switch. we are not 'there' or not. "there" in this context is an awareness and ablity to access and interact with God. At first we are given 'spiritual fruit.' which amount to the ablity to express these attributes of the Holy Spirit beyond our normal ablity to want to express these attributes. If we are faithful to this ablity we are given more. As long as we are faithful to what we are given what we are given will increase till we obtain spiritual gifts, from these gifts if we remain faithful , we are given more. At some point from the beginning and the receiving of these gifts there is an acute awareness of God. It is at that point you know you can fall back with your eyes closed and He will catch you so to speak. During this process the more you seek the more you get and the more you are responsiable for. That is why after 20 years I still A/S/K. Not because I haven't found God.

You've set up an entirely dishonest system here that has no failure state, whether or not it succeeds. It is, top to bottom, confirmation bias.

I havn't set up anything. I am only point to how Christ said how awareness of God takes place. I don't get to pick and choose how this works. i can only tell you that it does, and how to go about doing it.

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Drich, Joseph Smith isn't my prophet; he's just the example used in my premise. I know he failed, and that's because he was obviously delusional. Whether or not he was seeking the Holy Ghost is not the issue;

Actually it is the Whole issue because A/S/K refers to Asking Seeking and Knocking for the Holy Spirit as Christ instructs us to do in Luke 11.

he presupposed god and Christ, which means he presupposed the Holy Ghost as well.

The mormons do believe in the Holy Spirit. So if joey wanted to include the H/S He would have.

In fact, he was probably expecting the answer to his question to be led in some form by the Holy Ghost, which is reasonable seeing as his family believed in the Bible and taught their children the principles and doctrines found within it.

No I have read articals on this specifically saying he got directions from the Father and the Son. They believe that the Father and Son were once people, who asended into ultimate authority and hold all power. The H/S is more of a messenger, an intity who carries out the will of the Father and Son. So by sighting the Father and Son Joey was claiming authority from the seat of power.

Who could have predicted that his mind would actually come up with a vision of god and Jesus?

He came up with the Father and Son because that was his understanding of how the God head works. which is contary to the bible.

Because of this we know He did not A/S/K as outlined in Luke 11 because He sought an audience with the Father and Son directly which is why He produced them, and not the Spirit.